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Re: Try Switching to Kagi

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Post by freedomben »

bmacho wrote: post #244
realo wrote: post #182

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That comment from an actual human being, sir, more than anything else, would be by itself a reason for me to switch to Kagi everywhere. Fortunately I already switched to Kagi everywhere...

Huh? They are scamming someone, > I do understand how this may be unexpected. is the answer, they claim that it is a bug at their partner, and they offer opt-in (not automatic) refund. That's straight up illegal. Also controversial, like, if it's a bug, why isn't the refund automatic in the first place. How does this make you want to be their user?

Have you ever written software? Especially to manage payments? This is a very plausible bug around a corner case. Maybe they're secretly twirling their evil mustaches figuring out how to scam their previous customers that they're also trying to win back, or maybe sometimes bugs happen.

Re: Try Switching to Kagi

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Post by poincaredisk »

toomuchtodo wrote: post #215
ctvo wrote: post #207

As a long time Kagi user, the thing I miss the most is Google Maps integration for search results. It's nice to search for a restaurant or an address, see results for it, and with one click open up Google Maps to see how to get there and nearby attractions. Google Maps is such a large moat for Google, especially in locations that Apple Maps (the only real alternative) has poor coverage. Outside of that use case, I en…

Would an OpenStreetMap integration be sufficient to replace this functionality?

Just to add a different voice: I prefer OSM and for me it would be great.

Re: Try Switching to Kagi

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Post by bmacho »

freedomben wrote: post #251
bmacho wrote: post #244

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Huh? They are scamming someone, > I do understand how this may be unexpected. is the answer, they claim that it is a bug at their partner, and they offer opt-in (not automatic) refund. That's straight up illegal. Also controversial, like, if it's a bug, why isn't the refund automatic in the first place. How does this make you want to be their user?

Have you ever written software? Especially to manage payments? This is a very plausible bug around a corner case. Maybe they're secretly twirling their evil mustaches figuring out how to scam their previous customers that they're also trying to win back, or maybe sometimes bugs happen.

Having bugs is okay.

That particular reply however is gross and controversial on so many levels.

If you have a bug at a partner, you don't claim that it is intended and "I do understand how this may be unexpected". If it affects multiple users, you don't do opt-in refunds (which is again, illegal, and is a scam if intentional).

> Maybe they're secretly twirling their evil mustaches figuring out how to scam their previous customers

They've just admitted it?

Re: Try Switching to Kagi

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Post by amelius »

kristofferR wrote: post #208
packetlost wrote: post #145

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That's weird because Kagi is one of the few subscriptions that gives me an email heads up days before they charge me during the normal monthly cycle.

I'm not sure if it's a Norwegian law or an EU law, but companies here are forced to regularly send reminders that you are subscribed to them, I've gotten them from all the major streaming services I've subscribed to.

Huh, Norway is not in the EU.

Re: Try Switching to Kagi

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Post by mvieira38 »

catapart wrote: post #228

Posting for the unaware, without commentary on the content - just an FYI because it's something that matters to me, at least: https://d-shoot.net/kagi.html

I was also worried about their naïve "trust the market incentives bro" stance about privacy, but they actually did implement Privacy Pass eventually, and I'm now a happy user. What I like about Kagi is that they are a real company (not a corporation) that actually might listen to the demands of their users, and have a real presence on HN, Reddit and Discord, so the bad stuff can change over time

Re: Try Switching to Kagi

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Post by amelius »

rafram wrote: post #161
Ezhik wrote: post #15

Kagi is so nice. Amazing that it's the first search engine I've seen that lets me do something as obvious as customizing ranking for certain websites. And, of course, the ability to block websites from search results entirely. It even passes my personal search test - it shows reasonable results and not pages and pages of junkware when I search for "avi to mp4". I think my only annoyance with it is that it shows me sh…

On a search for "avi to mp4": - Google shows CloudConvert, then some helpful Reddit threads, then Ask Ubuntu, then some spammy SEO-optimized converter websites. - Kagi shows CloudConvert, then pages and pages of spammy SEO-optimized converter websites. Google clearly wins there.

Avi to mp4 is best done with an ffmpeg command written by an llm. But OK, I get that that was not the point.

Re: Try Switching to Kagi

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Post by rafram »

amelius wrote: post #257
rafram wrote: post #161

Earlier quoted context omitted.

On a search for "avi to mp4": - Google shows CloudConvert, then some helpful Reddit threads, then Ask Ubuntu, then some spammy SEO-optimized converter websites. - Kagi shows CloudConvert, then pages and pages of spammy SEO-optimized converter websites. Google clearly wins there.

Avi to mp4 is best done with an ffmpeg command written by an llm. But OK, I get that that was not the point.

If you already have ffmpeg, you shouldn't need an LLM to write `ffmpeg -i video.avi video.mp4`.

Re: Try Switching to Kagi

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Post by mvieira38 »

prinny_ wrote: post #138

I tried Kagi for 3 months, both for personal and work related queries and honestly I didn't find that many differences with Google. The top results were the same. There was a time I was interested in finding results from the small web such as personal blogs or local stores and Kagi did indeed provide better results, but I couldn't justify paying a monthly subscription over that.

If you only use it occasionally, you can pay for the 300 searches a month plan and they won't bill you until you exceed that amount

Re: Try Switching to Kagi

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Post by icar »

Kagi is nice, I guess. I paid for 3 months, and it suffers from the same fate as all other search engines besides Google: bad search results for anything but English (and maybe Spanish?). Anyway, my language, Catalan, is an afterthought -searching in it will display results in other languages, specially Spanish, which is _very_ bad. Hopefully one day we can have a non-Google search engine that does i18n searches right.
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