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Re: DeepMind releases Lyria 2 music generation model

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Post by boredhedgehog »

mindwok wrote: post #36
ipaddr wrote: post #21

The interest in ai music generation is lower than I initially thought. I jumped in but felt the exercise lacked the joy of making music physically or with software like pro tools. With pro tools you control the thousands of knobs which gives you more control. These AI models take away that connection. You can play around with different words to get different results but it's like painting with a shotgun. No one wants…

The impact of AI on creative fields will be pretty nuanced I feel. I don't think we will end up in a world where everyone is just AI generating the media they want. In some cases we will, for example stuff like lo-fi beats on YouTube are already started to be bulk made by AI because really it's just fancy white noise for people to use to work. Actual music (like what you find on Spotify) I think won't be impacted ver…

> We like the actors, the director, the artist, their taste, and who they are. It's why we have celebrities, because we get invested in the people behind the art.

But we can't know any of these celebrities as people. We only engage with their images created by marketing. Their stories are as curated and fabricated as the artworks they produce. Transferring these simulacra to AI personalities is merely another marketing problem to be solved.

Re: DeepMind releases Lyria 2 music generation model

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Post by concats »

XenophileJKO wrote: post #222
concats wrote: post #219

Trying to look at the bigger picture for a moment. A lot of the philosophical debate about art I see here, and elsewhere on social media, is often very shallow and can be reduced to: Does one believe that the value of the art-piece (be is music, paintings, film, or whatever) is created in the mind of the artist, or is it created in the mind of the consumer? If you believe only in the former, AI art is an oxymoron and…

You are on to the key insight here.. what is emerging is the creative consumer. I.e. I know what I want when I hear it. Or I know what I want when I see it. This means you can hear something and say.. you know this is nice, but I would like it more if it were different in this way. With generative tools you can do that. Personally I really like to listen to music, but I generally dislike the lyrics. I want uplifting…

My theory is that as the quality of these generative tools increase, we'll see the public opinion of them slowly shift. Regardless of philosophy (although discussing it is always fun), it just seems inevitable since there are so many more consumers than producers. And as you say, consumers are the ones that will primarily benefit from this new technology. As a consumer we care primarily (some could argue solely) about our own emotional reaction to the music —or more generally put, art-piece.

In practical terms I also believe that this will give rise to a lot of new consumer behavior, and, as you so aptly puts it "creative consumers" will become normal.

The ability to on-demand create more content to fill out some very narrow niche is a great example ("Today I want 24 hours of non stop Mongolian throat singing neo-industrial Christmas music"). Or maybe to create covers of songs in the voices of your favorite long dead artist. Anything from minor tweak of existing works ("I wish this love song was dedicated specifically to ME", to completely new works (Just look at how much the parody-music genre has grown since Suno and the like first appeared). The possibilities are near endless.

Re: DeepMind releases Lyria 2 music generation model

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Post by voidspark »

chii wrote: post #243
voidspark wrote: post #199

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Hey we're talking about a future scenario where AGI actually exists and is vastly better at software development than any human, and can do it much cheaper than current developer salaries. We're talking about science fiction which may become true much sooner than most people expect. I would be competing with cheap AGI services so it makes no difference whether I am a freelancer or not. > Being a software developer is…

> scenario where AGI actually exists and is vastly better at software development than any human then humans deservedly should no longer be doing software development, and those who were doing it would necessarily be the economic sacrifices. This has happened to many industries before, and shall continue to happen to others. I don't think there's any necessity to stop it - just ease the transition via taxpayer funded…

> then humans deservedly should no longer be doing software development

Then you could argue that humans won't "deserve" to exist when aliens show up with superior military technology. This isn't a matter of technology becoming obsolete. It's a matter of human beings becoming obsolete.

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Post by genewitch »

flanked-evergl wrote: post #208
shmeeed wrote: post #200

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That's a lot of words on a very overarching tangent. If one may ask, what music, exactly, do you consider joyful and worthy?

Some examples: - Carl Maria von Weber - Missa Sancta No.2 in G-major, Op.76, J.251 "Jubelmesse" (1819) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7mlNqpl-YJI&t=239s - Mass No. 2 (Schubert) - https://youtu.be/AUMp0OJ66s8?si=40k7LZ9pqCzMbHJy&t=256 - Mendelssohn: Elijah, Op. 70, MWV A2 - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w99KSSFj-aU - Beethoven: Missa solemnis in D major, op. 123 - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=umXYWd25hgQ&t=2382s

Have you seen that classical accordian player? To coin a phrase, he breathes new life into some classic pieces.

I'm loathe to link because I'm on mobile and this will be hasty, but: https://youtu.be/9SE222v1eyM at least most people will have heard a movement in this.

Probably the only virtuoso of a non-standard instrument I know, readily.

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Post by genewitch »

flanked-evergl wrote: post #188
geden wrote: post #183

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Bad how?

Bad in the sense that it is at it's core a denial that there exists something such as good, and even something such as bad — in almost every sense of the word, whether it be aesthetically or morally. The human race, according to religion, fell once, and in falling gained knowledge of good and of bad. Now we have fallen a second time, and not even that remains to us. One of the core contentions of the Christian faith,…

How much of this has to do with art facilitating money laundering, I ask, rhetorically.

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Post by Juliate »

voidspark wrote: post #253
chii wrote: post #243

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> scenario where AGI actually exists and is vastly better at software development than any human then humans deservedly should no longer be doing software development, and those who were doing it would necessarily be the economic sacrifices. This has happened to many industries before, and shall continue to happen to others. I don't think there's any necessity to stop it - just ease the transition via taxpayer funded…

> then humans deservedly should no longer be doing software development Then you could argue that humans won't "deserve" to exist when aliens show up with superior military technology. This isn't a matter of technology becoming obsolete. It's a matter of human beings becoming obsolete.

No need to call to aliens for that, this happened within human history several times... towards other humans, and towards other species (which some were considered as pest, until it was discovered they were crucial to the ecosystem balance).

That's definitely where the danger of some AI builders is, one more example of how technology _is political_ and the reason it's not so surprising some tech leaders are totally aligned with Trump/Project 2025 (if not funding it).

(all while there is a _real_, _documented_, _non fictional_, _short term_ ubiquitous threat that is global climate change)

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Post by shakna »

falcor84 wrote: post #247
magic_hamster wrote: post #186

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Who is "we"? The entire human race? Expecting all humans across different cultures and languages to come together and figure out basic income for 9 billion people is absurd. This kind of cooperation never happened and probably never will. People are completely unable to cooperate at the massive scale this requires, let alone solve far smaller challenges like mitigating outbreaks or making an effort to avert climate c…

It's difficult, but not impossible. "We" decided to offer everyone a covid vaccine and achieved that.

And as a result of "we" being divided, we have the resurgence of many vaccine preventable diseases, because that achievement was flat out rejected by part of humanity.

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Post by abenga »

xaldir wrote: post #202
eucryphia wrote: post #7

You know what the biggest problem with pushing all-things-Al is? Wrong direction. I want Al to do my laundry and dishes so that I can do art and writing, not for Al to do my art and writing so that I can do my laundry and dishes. - Joanna Maciejewska You could add music

However, Holywood might like the idea of producing an endless stream of content/music/movies/etc. with little human intervention.

I will never ever ever knowingly consume media written by AI. Worst case, I will only consume media written before some cutoff, 2020 say.

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Post by Aldipower »

concats wrote: post #238
Aldipower wrote: post #224

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Art is always some form of human interaction. When we talk about AI music, I think we do not talk about art anymore, so this isn't human interaction as this isn't art too. The creation of the AI itself, could be considered as art, but not the outcome of the AI. We have to be careful in our discussions not to mix the things up. A lot of confusion happens in recent discussion.

Personally I don't like to gatekeep art. For example: If someone walks out into the wilderness and encounters a particularly fascinating rock formation or plant, something that was created completely by accident and without a artist or designer, but they find that the sight instills in them strong emotions or deeper thought, I believe they should be allowed to call that art. Maybe this is just petty linguistics and s…

If someone walks out into the wilderness there's nobody to disallow anyone to call something art anyway. It's a free person. Hope you turned off networking then. :-) But as a society we committed on specific words to have a specific meaning and the process of _creating_ art clearly involves humans as creators.

Re: DeepMind releases Lyria 2 music generation model

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Post by wolvesechoes »

stavros wrote: post #234
whywhywhywhy wrote: post #212

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Musicians are actually a lot poorer than they should be, the label system is a complete scam and syphons off almost all the value created before the artist sees any for close to no benefit.

If labels offer so little benefit, why have they not become obsolete? Nowadays artists can self-publish with minimal cost, so why haven't we been seeing independent artists that are massively popular?

You still need to solve the problem of having your self-published album be actually heard by more people than your mom and partner.
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