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Deafening Silence from the Cybersecurity Industry

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Re: Deafening Silence from the Cybersecurity Industry

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Post by mindslight »

mikeyouse wrote: post #129
kayo_20211030 wrote: post #22

The second line of the EO. > Yet in recent years, elitist leaders in Government have unlawfully censored speech and weaponized their undeserved influence to silence perceived political opponents and advance their preferred, and often erroneous, narrative about significant matters of public debate Isn't the executive a branch of government? Physician, heal thyself.

It seems to be a feature of this type of brain dead odious politics to revel in the hypocrisy. Reminded also of the Harvard EO that simultaneously decried their DEI efforts and hiring/admissions not based on merit and then demanding that every department install a bunch of conservatives.. https://www.thecrimson.com/article/2025/4/15/agencies-demand...

Please stop calling them "conservatives". The term is a dishonest cover that they shouldn't have been able to continue hiding behind after they openly put themselves at odds with our society's institutions during the first Trump term. As a libertarian who didn't particularly love the status quo, I held my nose and voted actually conservative in 2024 - that was Harris/Walz. The new radical Republican party is free to come up with a new label that accurately describes the goals of their movement. Until then I propose we just use maggots, fascists, or destructionists, which capture the only consistent values I've been able to discern.

Re: Deafening Silence from the Cybersecurity Industry

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Post by jjtheblunt »

K0balt wrote: post #240
jjtheblunt wrote: post #211

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> a black man in the white house and women on the presidential ballot. The retrograde prejudices so deeply ingrained in the country’s memome that we are still in the throes of an anaphylactic reaction to an acute melatonin allergy. This is the most obscenely wrong take I can imagine, and I'll gladly explain why I say that. Your AI-generated response plainly ignores a country in love with Michael Jordan and Whitney Ho…

It’s interesting that you suppose my writing is AI generated? I’ve not seen AI that writes that way, but I suppose you might set it up to emulate a certain style. I’ve also been accused of using AI because I used an em dash. In that case, I guess it’s almost true, because my spell check would have put it there in place of space-dash-space. FWIW I am morally opposed to publishing AI slop where it might enter the publi…

Well said, and apologies for assuming you’d phrased using ai. Looks like we’re describing near overlap, and i suspect i know more independently voting people than the maga sorts you have seen. The large number of independents i know voted against the race-baiting tactics shown by Obama in chastising minorities if not voting as he deemed appropriate, and similarly with Hillary. Anyway none ever mention race of candidates, but voted for the candidates not mentioning race at all. I hope you see the distinction because i found that interesting.

Re: Deafening Silence from the Cybersecurity Industry

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Post by ryandrake »

ramesh31 wrote: post #249
lukan wrote: post #230

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In true survival mode, you likely would not hang out around here.

The people who hang out here are the lucky 90th percentile of our society that are just barely able to tread water at this point. Everyone else is drowning. Try to imagine living on $60k, then think about the fact that that’s a good salary to a majority of US workers.

If everyone was truly drowning, there would be massive civil unrest. As usual, people in general seem to be finding a way.

Re: Deafening Silence from the Cybersecurity Industry

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Post by ryandrake »

ethbr1 wrote: post #222
belorn wrote: post #206

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Politics and media has for the last two decades been operated on generating engagement through outrage, and it seems that we have arrived at the peak of what that model was able to do, with a very sharp decline into apathy. More outrage will not convince people to care. Even the financial parts had very limited impact towards political engagement.

A related change on the people's part has been decreased understanding of how to leverage their own political power. Congress-critters are concerned about losing reelection. (And of being primaried even in safe districts) Yet the minification of attention spans has confused the average American voter that they're impotent, when really they're just lazy, ignorant, and unwilling to muster real-world action. When's the…

> When's the last time you saw someone pepper a House district with self-made signs?

Never, because it would be totally ineffective. Incumbents in Congress have about a 95% win rate[1]. For almost everywhere in the country, districts are what they are and no amount of hand drawn signs are going to change it.

1: https://ballotpedia.org/Election_results,_2024:_Incumbent_wi...

Re: Deafening Silence from the Cybersecurity Industry

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Post by wakawaka28 »

tzs wrote: post #247
wakawaka28 wrote: post #236

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>You mean the ID that around 21 million US citizens who are eligible to vote do not have and don't have the time and/or money to get that ID? Here's a comment that contains links to a whole bunch of articles covering this, many of which contain extensive links to sources [1]. That is all a bunch of hogwash. Most people can get ID for like $20 from their state. Even if I accept it, the answer is not to lower standards…

> That is all a bunch of hogwash. Most people can get ID for like $20 from their state There's also the cost of finding and getting copies of supporting documents, which are often in another state (e.g., the state you were born in, not the state you now live in). Records for many older Americans have not been digitized or even centralized so if your family moved when you were very young you may have to search the phy…

Look, I don't like waiting at the DMV either but doing it for a few hours every four to eight years is part of life. I don't believe anyone with a job is actually disenfranchised by this requirement. If they won't do that, then they won't register to vote either. In many cases, you can simultaneously get ID and register to vote too. By the way you can't get a job legally without providing ID, unless you are working gig jobs for cash. The elderly are often given IDs that don't expire.

I might be biased but I don't want people who can't manage to get or keep an ID telling us how to run the country. If you can't manage such a basic task, then you can't run your own life and have no business having a say in how other people live or die. That said, the real solution that would make everyone happy is to subsidize the issuance of ID somehow and to make employers accommodate the required absences. We do that for jury duty, more or less, so we can do it for ID and voting too. The solution is definitely never going to be to get stupid and have zero requirements for ID at the polls.

Re: Deafening Silence from the Cybersecurity Industry

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Post by wakawaka28 »

filoeleven wrote: post #248
wakawaka28 wrote: post #196

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>She conceded. Trump did not concede when he lost the 2020 election. These are facts. Get real. She "conceded" then continued smearing Trump for years and literally called him illegitimate. Not just her but the entire Democrat media machine that backed Hillary over other plausible candidates. The smearing and denial cancel out any good will she gained by "conceding". Shall we talk about the Russiagate hoax that went…

>>> By the way, Hillary and her cronies never accepted the 2016 election. >> She conceded. Trump did not concede when he lost the 2020 election. These are facts. Get real. > She "conceded" then continued smearing Trump for years and literally called him illegitimate. It's like the goalposts keep moving to try and get away from the bullshit, but there's always more up ahead...

Acceptance and formal concession are two different things, just like clarification versus moving the goalposts. The real bullshit here is trying to avoid the actual issue at hand by attacking my choice of words when you know damn well what I mean.

Re: Deafening Silence from the Cybersecurity Industry

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Post by pjc50 »

ripe wrote: post #174
yubblegum wrote: post #144

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The time window you indicate here is too narrow for the topic under discussion, and thinking in partisan terms about the dysfunction of this republic an error, in my opinion. At the foundational (practical not ideological) level, the complicity has been between the economic, political, and informational power centers in US. It is possible they did not foresee the black swan of Trumpism and now a faction of the ruling…

No, pjc50 is right. Republican politicians are scared of their leader because their primary elections are completely at his mercy. The reason for Congress's dysfunction today is 100% a partisan issue. No need to blame "elite power centers".

Eh, there's something in "complicity has been between the economic, political, and informational power centers in US": in that all of them backed an increasingly dysfunctional Republican party, as a means of avoiding problems they didn't want to have solved (post industrial areas, police violence, fake news, money politics and so on)

The reverse applies to Democrats, who are sufficiently unafraid of their leadership that they occasionally engage openly in collaboration with the enemy.

Re: Deafening Silence from the Cybersecurity Industry

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Post by fc417fc802 »

ryandrake wrote: post #254
ethbr1 wrote: post #222

Earlier quoted context omitted.

A related change on the people's part has been decreased understanding of how to leverage their own political power. Congress-critters are concerned about losing reelection. (And of being primaried even in safe districts) Yet the minification of attention spans has confused the average American voter that they're impotent, when really they're just lazy, ignorant, and unwilling to muster real-world action. When's the…

> When's the last time you saw someone pepper a House district with self-made signs? Never, because it would be totally ineffective. Incumbents in Congress have about a 95% win rate[1]. For almost everywhere in the country, districts are what they are and no amount of hand drawn signs are going to change it. 1: https://ballotpedia.org/Election_results,_2024:_Incumbent_wi...

I'm not necessarily disagreeing, but I think it's worth pointing out that you don't have to win in order to have an impact. It could well be that the incumbent retains his position because he made moves to address your concerns.

Re: Deafening Silence from the Cybersecurity Industry

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Post by fc417fc802 »

wakawaka28 wrote: post #255
tzs wrote: post #247

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> That is all a bunch of hogwash. Most people can get ID for like $20 from their state There's also the cost of finding and getting copies of supporting documents, which are often in another state (e.g., the state you were born in, not the state you now live in). Records for many older Americans have not been digitized or even centralized so if your family moved when you were very young you may have to search the phy…

Look, I don't like waiting at the DMV either but doing it for a few hours every four to eight years is part of life. I don't believe anyone with a job is actually disenfranchised by this requirement. If they won't do that, then they won't register to vote either. In many cases, you can simultaneously get ID and register to vote too. By the way you can't get a job legally without providing ID, unless you are working g…

> don't believe anyone with a job is actually disenfranchised by this requirement.

You are betraying your own ignorance. You clearly have never associated with people from a ghetto if you are saying that.

> If you can't manage such a basic task, then you can't run your own life and have no business having a say in how other people live or die.

There's probably some merit to that but I think it would really depend on why. If you can't in the sense that you just don't follow through that's one thing. Whereas working the same hours that the ID office is open, not having PTO, being unable to afford taking unpaid time off, not being able to afford a personal vehicle; if you can't simply because you are poor that hardly seems a reasonable basis to disenfranchise someone.

If nothing else, it certainly isn't consistent with either the word or the spirit of the current law. If you want to change that then the appropriate course of action is to lobby the general public for it. If you believe you won't manage to convince them then I would like to suggest that it is your views that have no business being imposed on others.

Oh and the kicker? It's a poor filter anyway, at least for the purpose that you stated. Someone who doesn't work will have little issue passing it since he has no scheduling conflict with office hours and what's a multi-hour trip on public transit to him?

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