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Tailscale has raised $160M

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Re: Tailscale has raised $160M

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Start looking for alternatives already. Nothing good came out of VC rounds and private equity for the end consumers ever.

I understand the cynicism. But this is counter productive. Any venture has to have a finance angle. They are not missionaries.

All in for profitability and financial activity. That's the very foundation of innovation.

But VC funding works very differently.

Re: Tailscale has raised $160M

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As someone who currently has their photo on a company's 'About Us' page, I hate it. Why does anyone care who the nth developer is? Let me just do my job without forcing me to be publicly listed for spammers and scammers to target me.

It's super useful to potential hires about the kind of team you're building. Especially if there's some kind of niche you're in (product, tech, region, whatever). There are people who I would climb mountains to work with, and others within a niche whose very presence in a company is enough to steer me away. Another signal for me is the fraction of xooglers in the engineering team.

You could look all the details you need and more up on linkedin.

Re: Tailscale has raised $160M

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Cloudflare still has their about page with thousands of people: https://www.cloudflare.com/people/

lol - wonder if HR or whoever maintains this site just scrapes the internal directory to generate the is page. Names/photos are not even clickable. Just first names and a photo. Thats so cloudflare.

used to have last names, but it became a security concern. It is ordered by seniority.

Re: Tailscale has raised $160M

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>$6/user/m, but if you want to use ACLs to control anything in a workable way, it jumps 3x to $18/u/m. It's market segmentation, needing ACLs is a sign you're at least an SMB, and to a business of nearly any actual size, the difference between $6/user and $18/user is 0.

Uh I work for an enterprise of tens of thousands of users and $18 a month is not nothing for us. In fact considering the discounts we get at our size that would be so high we'd never consider it. We don't even use windows enterprise for the same reason, we have legacy office 365 plans and lifetime windows licenses without the M365 addons because it saves is a few bucks per head. At our size, a few bucks a head quickl…

All too often it's those companies that worry excessively about saving a few dollars that also have meetings for everything, glacial decision making, poor strategic focus, tons of internal politics, and so on.

Re: Tailscale has raised $160M

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Still can't wrap my head around that TS does not allow to signup with your custom email/password combination but forces you to use bigtech (GitHub, Apple, Meta etc.) to login. Running your custom OIDC provider as a small, private person does not make any sense either.

I think that's quite smart, and OIDC is an open standard at least.

Securing usernames/passwords and handling second factors etc; is already done so well and it's hard to do.

Having a clear 'this is where we can be secure' stances is what makes me want to trust them more.

Re: Tailscale has raised $160M

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>$6/user/m, but if you want to use ACLs to control anything in a workable way, it jumps 3x to $18/u/m. It's market segmentation, needing ACLs is a sign you're at least an SMB, and to a business of nearly any actual size, the difference between $6/user and $18/user is 0.

Uh I work for an enterprise of tens of thousands of users and $18 a month is not nothing for us. In fact considering the discounts we get at our size that would be so high we'd never consider it. We don't even use windows enterprise for the same reason, we have legacy office 365 plans and lifetime windows licenses without the M365 addons because it saves is a few bucks per head. At our size, a few bucks a head quickl…

At that scale, you need the "Call us" plan. No one at that scale is paying full price.

Re: Tailscale has raised $160M

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I'm a fan of TS and have been a paying customer for work infra for almost a year now. It really is well put together and easy to use, but I do run up against some issues/complaints when diving deep that I hope they can work out: * The pricing tiers and included features by tier penalizes you in frustrating ways. The base plan is a reasonable $6/user/m, but if you want to use ACLs to control anything in a workable way…

> * Better tooling to determine why it's falling back to DERP instead of direct for remote clients. DERP relays should be an absolute last resort to provide connectivity for Business-plan-level customers (very slow), and the way TS works just assumes any connectivity is fine. Tailscale touts all the perf benefits of the wireguard protocol but in practice between the userland wireguard that seems to be used all the ti…

They also seem to be needlessly doing DERP over TCP in some cases where UDP would actually work.

Re: Tailscale has raised $160M

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post #230

I'm a fan of TS and have been a paying customer for work infra for almost a year now. It really is well put together and easy to use, but I do run up against some issues/complaints when diving deep that I hope they can work out: * The pricing tiers and included features by tier penalizes you in frustrating ways. The base plan is a reasonable $6/user/m, but if you want to use ACLs to control anything in a workable way…

Do you mind sharing the better solutions you'd consider at the higher price point?

zerotier maybe?

Re: Tailscale has raised $160M

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I've been tracking this space for a while just out of annoyance that Tailscale offers ssh on the free tier, then not on the "starter" paid tier. Netbird is by far the best of the alternatives that I've tried.

Can you comment a bit on what you liked about them, especially compared to Tailscale?

Well, it's important to start with saying I didn't like it as much as Tailscale, but I liked it a lot more than any of the others I tried. The UI for their dashboard is very good and getting it up and running was pretty trouble free though the docs could be a little better.

Re: Tailscale has raised $160M

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Can you comment a bit on what you liked about them, especially compared to Tailscale?

Well, it's important to start with saying I didn't like it as much as Tailscale, but I liked it a lot more than any of the others I tried. The UI for their dashboard is very good and getting it up and running was pretty trouble free though the docs could be a little better.

Ah, that makes sense thank you!
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