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Upcoming Windows 11 builds cannot install without internet and Microsoft Account

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Re: Upcoming Windows 11 builds cannot install without internet and Microsoft Account

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I avoid Microsoft products at any cost, and have done so since I began using computers in the 1980s. I suggest others do the same. The company and its practices are unethical and morally bankrupt: and those products don’t even work well. The more people who stop using Windows the less they will have control of gaming.

Re: Upcoming Windows 11 builds cannot install without internet and Microsoft Account

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I'm also 100% convinced Microsoft will introduce mandatory code signing at some point and make it so that you can only ever install software from Windows Store. They are envious of the Google and Apple walled gardens/cashcows and are now determined to turn Windows into one. Windows is no longer a product for users, the users of Windows are the product for Microsoft to be shoved into the Azure sales funnel.

That's the main reason why Valve is investing in Linux and Steam Deck.

The Steam Deck has done well, and releasing SteamOS for free so people can install it on their own PCs is great, but I think they should make a “Steam PC” they could sell. The majority of gamers aren’t technical and buy pre-built PCs. A Steam PC with Steam OS pre-installed would make it easy for these people to game on Linux and pump up the Linux gaming share of the gaming market.

Re: Upcoming Windows 11 builds cannot install without internet and Microsoft Account

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MS's pluton is in every new CPU.

And? Just, uh, boot without secure boot and patch things until they work again without enforcing code signing? The only way this sort of thing could be possibly partially enforced is by remote attestation for apps that depend on a server to function. So do what iOS jailbreaks did, except you don't need a vulnerability to start because secure boot will always be optional.

Secure boot will not always remain optional for windows.

Re: Upcoming Windows 11 builds cannot install without internet and Microsoft Account

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These days there is no reason to use Windows at home. Just move to a distro like Mint or Ubuntu. It will save you money and help stop filling up Landfills. I am on a 10+ year old Laptop with Slackware, for desktop use it is just as fast as any modern Laptop with Windows, I would even say it is faster. Also you will find Libreoffice is just as good as M/S Office. Just ignore the fud. FWIW, I believe many foreign count…

> These days there is no reason to use Windows at home. I have two, sadly. 1. I use my Windows PC for flight simulators. While many simulators will indeed run under proton, the hardware devices (VR, joysticks, throttles, pedals, panels, etc.) usually will not, or at best run with minimal functionality. 2. I develop cross-platform software and need a Windows PC to test that environment. A third for some people: 3. The…

To add onto 3, I do my taxes every year using either the desktop version of Turbo Tax or H&R Block. They only make Mac or Windows versions of their software.

I've read online that people have attempted to use wine in order to emulate the Windows environment with no success.

Re: Upcoming Windows 11 builds cannot install without internet and Microsoft Account

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> These days there is no reason to use Windows at home. I have two, sadly. 1. I use my Windows PC for flight simulators. While many simulators will indeed run under proton, the hardware devices (VR, joysticks, throttles, pedals, panels, etc.) usually will not, or at best run with minimal functionality. 2. I develop cross-platform software and need a Windows PC to test that environment. A third for some people: 3. The…

To add onto 3, I do my taxes every year using either the desktop version of Turbo Tax or H&R Block. They only make Mac or Windows versions of their software. I've read online that people have attempted to use wine in order to emulate the Windows environment with no success.

I use FreeTaxUSA for my taxes, works great for me.

Re: Upcoming Windows 11 builds cannot install without internet and Microsoft Account

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Do banking apps work normally if downloaded from the aurora store? I'd very much like to fully degoogle my next phone when I get to replacing it, and it's the last stumbling stone

I believe there are reasons this isn't a solution for everybody, but I just use the mobile website. Works for me, and probably a lot of people. I'd rather not have the app on my phone anyway.

I'm the same. If my bank ever requires me to install an app, I'll change banks.

Re: Upcoming Windows 11 builds cannot install without internet and Microsoft Account

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That's the main reason why Valve is investing in Linux and Steam Deck.

The Steam Deck has done well, and releasing SteamOS for free so people can install it on their own PCs is great, but I think they should make a “Steam PC” they could sell. The majority of gamers aren’t technical and buy pre-built PCs. A Steam PC with Steam OS pre-installed would make it easy for these people to game on Linux and pump up the Linux gaming share of the gaming market.

the steam pc is the newly announced xbox, no?

Re: Upcoming Windows 11 builds cannot install without internet and Microsoft Account

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Windows S failed hard so they have a new strategy. Every new CPU ships with M$'s Pluton root of trust. For 'security' everything will have to be signed. They consider the user to be the threat actor. Eventually they will charge a percsnt fee for using their signing service.

This sounds like the UEFI Secure Boot FUD from > 10 years ago. That also didn't turn out like they predicted.

The desire for control never went away.

Re: Upcoming Windows 11 builds cannot install without internet and Microsoft Account

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And? Just, uh, boot without secure boot and patch things until they work again without enforcing code signing? The only way this sort of thing could be possibly partially enforced is by remote attestation for apps that depend on a server to function. So do what iOS jailbreaks did, except you don't need a vulnerability to start because secure boot will always be optional.

Secure boot will not always remain optional for windows.

And how could that possibly be enforced?

Re: Upcoming Windows 11 builds cannot install without internet and Microsoft Account

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Who decided that secure boot can't be made mandatory on x86 systems? Microsoft. They can reverse their decision at any time. Inasmuch as you are able to boot Linux on your PC, it's only because Microsoft deigns to allow it.

>only because Microsoft deigns to allow it Other operating systems could still collaborate with manufacturers to have their key be trusted.

But manufacturers won't cooperate. One OEM (Asus?) once cited a price of like $16M to trust one key. The price for Microsoft is nothing because Microsoft can say "trust our keys or lose Windows certification".
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