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Millions are visiting the European Alternatives site. What trends are we seeing?

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Post by messe »

tossandthrow wrote: post #215
lupusreal wrote: post #198

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Europe has cutting edge domestic military tech in almost all relevant categories but don't build enough of it to matter because until recently their people and governments haven't taken defense seriously. Europe doing so now is good for America because it reduces the risk of Americans once again dying in yet another European war.

Last time Nato's article 5 was invoked it lead to Europeans dying in US wars. We need to go back to WW2 for you comment to have any value. I think Americans can thank themselves and nobody else for their people dying in wars.

The only time Article 5 has been invoked.

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Post by graemep »

pjc50 wrote: post #204
graemep wrote: post #169

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I do not agree. The same division is spreading throughout the west, if not the world. From the very woke education system in the US to the electoral success of the AfD in Germany we seem to be following the US. Woke has not spread into Asia, but nationalism and racism were there already.

Trying to parse a comment where someone implies that nationalism and racism are bad but also that ""woke"" (diluted into meaninglessness by over use) is .. also bad?

Yes, exactly my view. I am not signed up to a side and feel no need to follow a particular set of views because they belong to a group I identity with.

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Post by InsideOutSanta »

gkbrk wrote: post #199
InsideOutSanta wrote: post #192

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For privacy reasons, I've already started slowly switching away from US providers before all this insanity happened. I've switched my Email to Proton (Swiss), cloud files to Filen (German), most LLM usage to Mistral (French), and search to Ecosia (German). [Edit: I've now switched to Mojeek; see comments below.] But in the past two weeks, I've done the things I've previously put off because they require real work. I'…

Ecosia is just Bing and Google though [1], so basically American and not German. It looks like they're planning to build a European index with Qwant [2], but their help pages still say they're on Bing and Google so I guess nothing materialized yet. [1]: https://ecosia.helpscoutdocs.com/article/579-search-results-... [2]: https://blog.ecosia.org/eusp/

I don't believe any Western European search companies have their own search index, and Ecosia seems to currently have the best chance of growing into a real vertically integrated search provider, so I'm using them.

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Post by rvba »

ETH_start wrote: post #186
wasmitnetzen wrote: post #181

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I don't agree with the notion that the existence of a few mega-corps is a useful metric. Of course the US is the more free market, and allows those oligopolies to exist. The EU would have split up those companies years ago.

The US economy is now 50% larger than the EU's, as a result of this market freedom and enterprise growth.

USA was not impacted by WW2 (by this I mean it wasnt bombed to nothing) and 50 years of communism.

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Post by 0xDEAFBEAD »

7bit wrote: post #133
iammjm wrote: post #118

Europeans were perfectly happy to buy American tech und military exports, thus earning U.S. money and making EU technologically and politically dependent from the U.S. - it really was perfect for the U.S. But the US decided that it was actually a BAD DEAL and they wanted to extort even more money and dependence from EU. So now EU is investing in their own tech and military, thus reducing the amount of money US is get…

I believe most users here are not in favor of Trump, and these snarky and confrontative remarks are generally a bad tone.

>Don't feed egregious comments by replying; flag them instead.

https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

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Post by apexalpha »

bakuninsbart wrote: post #202
apexalpha wrote: post #45

At my (enterprise) job there has been a noticable shift in attitude. We've just decided to use Mistral for OCR, even though everything we currently use is embedded in Azure / IntelDocs or something. Usually any push for EU products would be dismissed because of the initial friction compared to SV products. This seems to have shifted significantly all the way to the top. Everyone seems on board to just accept more fri…

I think STACKIT is worth watching. They are owned by Schwarz Group, the largest european retailer, and seem to be on a significant growth path with major investment and commitment from the parent company.

Do they offer managed services?

Their website suggests so but I'm not familiar with them.

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Post by krapp »

light_hue_1 wrote: post #245
krapp wrote: post #178

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You're correct that this election was more lost by the Democrats than won by the Republicans, but Trump didn't actually get the popular vote. That meme took off well before the final vote count was completed. It was close, and American politics being what it is, it doesn't actually matter. Hillary Clinton did get a majority in 2016 after all, but the narrative was still that she was the worst and losing-est candidate…

Huh? Trump won 49% of the vote in 2024, compared to Hillary's 48% in 2016. The numbers go with the story perfectly. He didn't win a majority of the popular vote, but neither did Hilary. Trump did win a bigger share than she did though.

You're confusing the popular vote with electoral votes.

Hillary Clinton won the popular vote in 2016 by a margin of almost 3 million[0].

But because states vote for President in the US through the electoral college, rather than people, Trump won the election with a slight majority of electoral votes. Hillary Clinton lost not because she was unpopular (she was, even in the most conservative estimate, about as popular as Trump,) but because she didn't campaign in the correct states.

[0]https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/hillary-clinton-officially-w...

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Post by grey-area »

lupusreal wrote: post #198
csomar wrote: post #185

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> hus forcing EU to invest in their own tech & military, thus becoming a competitor to the US products. Not sure how you made the jump here. EU is signalling increased military spending but there isn't really much talk about tech (beyond reddit-like enthusiasm which leads nowhere); which is funny because the top referrals for this site are .. american companies themselves. That being said, increased spending doesn't…

Europe has cutting edge domestic military tech in almost all relevant categories but don't build enough of it to matter because until recently their people and governments haven't taken defense seriously. Europe doing so now is good for America because it reduces the risk of Americans once again dying in yet another European war.

World War II was not a European war, the clue is in the name.

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Post by bufferoverflow »

epolanski wrote: post #236
dmos62 wrote: post #154

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I liked a comment by Sarah C. Paine, about how Communism is a really great system for taking power from within a state (think Mao), and then staying in power, but it's horrible for generating prosperity. When evaluating the choices of certain people, it's clarifying to not think in terms of prosperity, but, rather, power. I think there's a case to be made about Trump seeing advantage in making enemies of his politica…

The same Sarah Paine that speaks about how China lifted 1B+ people out of poverty and created tens of millions of millionaires?

Largely after abandoning damaging communist ideas and allowing private business to exist.

China is no longer communist, it's this weird hybrid of capitalism with heavy government controls and heavy censorship.

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Post by the_duke »

lupusreal wrote: post #198
csomar wrote: post #185

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> hus forcing EU to invest in their own tech & military, thus becoming a competitor to the US products. Not sure how you made the jump here. EU is signalling increased military spending but there isn't really much talk about tech (beyond reddit-like enthusiasm which leads nowhere); which is funny because the top referrals for this site are .. american companies themselves. That being said, increased spending doesn't…

Europe has cutting edge domestic military tech in almost all relevant categories but don't build enough of it to matter because until recently their people and governments haven't taken defense seriously. Europe doing so now is good for America because it reduces the risk of Americans once again dying in yet another European war.

That's a very narrow view on the topic.

There have been many cases over the last decades where European interest and opinions have been quite different from US foreign policy pushes, but European countries almost always yielded to US pressure, partly due to the close relationship, but more so due to the de-facto dependence.

If Europe becomes more self-reliant and builds up more notable and integrated military capabilities, it will also mean that the we will persue different goals and prioritise our own strategic and economic interests, which sometimes might align with the US, but plenty of times will not.

It will bring about a marked decline of how much sway the US has.

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