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Re: Boycott IETF 127

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Post by mschuster91 »

ghosty141 wrote: post #186
onli wrote: post #135

Earlier quoted context omitted.

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This is a 20 year old article and no we don't have "nazis kill foreigners with some regularity". Yes hate-crime happens, but you make it sound like an active war zone where you have to be afraid of your life if you are "foreign" looking. I'd wager for tourists it's very safe in Germany.

> I'd wager for tourists it's very safe in Germany.

Unless they're Black or "look Muslim", in which case I'd stay the fuck out of Eastern Germany. There's more recent reports as well, e.g. [1] - and it's been a massive issue for Eastern Germany, especially since the rise of Pegida [2].

But don't get me wrong, Western Germany also has its no-go areas, especially anything rural. The large cities tend to be decently safe from far-right violence - but even the smaller ones can be dangerous. Just last week a friend of a friend and her child was attacked in Landshut near Munich by a drunkard (and no it's not hearsay, there's a police report).

[1] https://www.mdr.de/nachrichten/sachsen/dresden/dresden-radeb...

[2] https://www.zeit.de/politik/deutschland/2015-10/pegida-dresd...

Re: Boycott IETF 127

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Post by redbeanpandas »

HexDecOctBin wrote: post #235

@dang Why is this flagged? Even without the politics, knowing that a large cohort is not going to attend in an important piece of information.

This is insane, everything that criticize US and current gov is flagged. Really disappointing and frightening. As a European citizen who reads European news, it was really strange not to see topics about the deterioration of US relations with its allies and its closer ties with Russia on this site. It was major news in the EU and completely silent here.

Re: Boycott IETF 127

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Post by mmooss »

kazinator wrote: post #43
mmooss wrote: post #15

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> doing things unpredictably and appearing arbitrary, they try to create a situation where feels safe - it could happen to anyone. This is a great point: doing menacing things here and there creates a sort of illusion that they can do menacing things everywhere at once, which they actually cannot.

Sorry, the quoted part of my comment should have said 'where nobody feels safe', but I can see you figured that out.

Re: Boycott IETF 127

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Post by mschuster91 »

whacko_quacko wrote: post #148
silisili wrote: post #40

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If you talk to a parent of a child who OD'd, most commonly of fent these days, they all have this thought. What if I took them somewhere remote where there are no drugs and didn't let them leave? My heart hurts for them, but I have no idea if it's a good idea or not. Regardless, I think his heart is in the right place. Time will tell whether or not it's actually useful.

I had a drug problem once, and di something like that. It helped a lot. If there's no way to procure any drugs, it takes away a lot of the pain and anguish you feel coming off of drugs. RFK might be an idiot, but even idiots might be right once in a while

> If there's no way to procure any drugs, it takes away a lot of the pain and anguish you feel coming off of drugs.

Or the fact that you're not longer in the environment with its stressors that cause you to seek out drugs in the first place? Lots of people sleeping rough go for drugs of any kind just to be able to put their mind to rest.

Finland shows this with its "housing first" policy, giving people a home is a relatively easy way to get them off of drugs.

Re: Boycott IETF 127

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Post by Fluorescence »

froh wrote: post #189
taneliv wrote: post #150

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Good for you! If only things like this were taught in schools so that by the time people find Hacker News, they'd already know about them. We would be having entirely different conversations.

this gets me the wrong way. see, I live in Nuremberg, Germany. I went to school here, "higher education". I've learned a lot about fascism, how it lured voters into electing them, how they grabbed and secured power, how they introduced concentration camps ("animal protection" legislation, prohibiting kosher butchering, introduced the camps as punishment for those insisting on kosher law. twisted) I've visited two con…

>> I've watched the Holocaust movie series of the 1970s

Do you recall Karl is sent to Theresienstadt where the art studio secretly paints the holocaust?

That is the "paradise ghetto", the potemkin village concentration camp the Nazis created to give tours to international observers to fool them about conditions. Sometimes called a retirement village or the gift of the Fuhrer to the Jewish people but of course, just a temporary pause for transports going further east to the death camps.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Theresienstadt_Ghetto

Re: Boycott IETF 127

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Post by hayst4ck »

bloppe wrote: post #194

This website mixes some very real and very big problems (erosion of basic freedoms and rights in the US) with some entirely hallucinated ones (concentration camps for people with ADHD, and torture ? I'd certainly want to learn more about that than a passing mention). Personally I think the hyperbole only serves to cheapen the real problems.

This is an administration that openly is talking about annexing Canada, as well as invading panama and Greenland. It's an administration that has literally said "we want government workers in trauma."

Historians are actively comparing us to Nazi Germany. https://snyder.substack.com/p/what-to-expect-when-youre-expe...

The holocaust started as a deportation effort. Trump reportedly said "I wish I had Hitler's generals." https://www.pbs.org/newshour/politics/trump-said-hitler-did-...

3-4 prominent republicans have Sieg Heiled in public, including Bannon who did not put his hand on his heart first.

You are confusing hyperbole for actually shocking news, and it's so shocking it's easily mistaken for hyperbole because if you don't bury your head in the ground it's too much to bear. Accepting the truth of whats happening means you must act, and so people are opting not to accept it to protect their mental health.

https://www.npr.org/2025/01/29/nx-s1-5276898/rfk-drugs-addic...

"I'm going to bring a new industry to [rural] America, where addicts can help each other recover from their addictions," Kennedy promised, during a film on addiction released by his presidential campaign. "We're going to build hundreds of healing farms where American kids can reconnect with America's soil."

That's the kernel of truth, but when you bring in the historical context of authoritarian regimes, and the absolute lack of rule of law, you start to get very very afraid.

Re: Boycott IETF 127

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Post by Jolter »

laserlight wrote: post #234
Jolter wrote: post #163

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At least they don’t issue you a visa and then arbitrarily detain you at the border. Obtaining a work visa in a particular country is not a human right, and their issuance are up to the hosting country’s policies.

> work visa I would guess that 90% of the applications were for travel, not work. > their issuance are up to the hosting country’s policies These countries don't even bother to apply their policies. Some cases I heard about indicate that they randomly reject applications, without reviewing them.

Ah, you’re right. The linked article doesn’t say, but apparently a Schengen Visa is “for short-term purposes, such as tourism or business trips. Work permits are apparently not counted in these numbers, then.

As to whether they are conforming tot heir own policies or not, I can’t find any evidence either way in the linked article. They’re just stating the numbers.

Re: Boycott IETF 127

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Post by Jolter »

dtquad wrote: post #89
tossandthrow wrote: post #30

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Regardless of the political situation, the EU is probably a more friendly environment for a standards body taking their stance in interoperability into account.

Not all EU countries are the same. I would avoid Hungary, Slovakia, and former Eastern Germany (except Berlin).

As far a I know, all of the listed countries are reasonably safe to travel to. I’ve not heard any stories of arbitrary detention from any of them, which is what this article is (mostly) about.

Trans people might not enjoy Slovakia or Hungary right now, but I’m not sure they are unsafe to visit for them (yet)? Someone local might fill me in here…

Re: Boycott IETF 127

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Post by tossandthrow »

sschueller wrote: post #162
tossandthrow wrote: post #30

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Regardless of the political situation, the EU is probably a more friendly environment for a standards body taking their stance in interoperability into account.

Switzerland is not in the EU.

You are right!

I could have said Switzerland, but I believe that my point expands to the entirety of the EU, why I expanded a bit.

As some of you sibling commenters also write: Not all parts of the Schengen / EU is equally - just like you probably wouldn't move these things to rural Alaska.

Re: Boycott IETF 127

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Post by megous »

xyzal wrote: post #159
0l wrote: post #149

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No mention of "torture" in the article?

you don't exactly need to be beaten with a hose. that said: - psychological manipulation through prolonged uncertainty and withholding information - dehumanizing conditions like freezing cells with inadequate blankets - sleep deprivation - physical suffering during a 24-hour transfer between facilities while shackled and confined in a prison bus - humiliation and degradation particularly during pregnancy testing proc…

The German tattoo artist got 8 days of solitary confinement, like so many others in ICE detention, that ICE only ended after her mental breakdown and self-injury, and not out of ICE having respect for their own rules.
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