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Claude can now search the web

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Re: Claude can now search the web

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Post by jimbokun »

shreezus wrote: post #244
yoyohello13 wrote: post #125

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The longer I've been in the workforce, the more I realize most humans actually kind of suck at their jobs. LLMs being more human like is the opposite of what I want.

This is why agentic AI will likely cause a cataclysim in white-collar labor soon. The reality is, a lot of jobs just need "OK" performers, not excellent ones, and the tipping point will be when the average AI is more useful than the average human.

The excellent performs are only one or two turns of Moore’s law away from the OK ones.

Re: Claude can now search the web

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Post by Workaccount2 »

ineedaj0b wrote: post #224

i stopped using Claude about 2 months ago. went to Grok (the code was better, everything was better - politics aside). i wonder if this update will improve it. the main issue i find with Claude is, he fights you. He refuses so many requests and i need 3 or 4 replies to get what i want vs deepseek/grok. i've kept the monthly subscription to help anthropic, but it's trounced by the free options imo.

Claude 3.7 with thinking is a big step up. If you haven't used it I'd suggest giving it a try.

I have used grok a bit and it did what I needed it too, so I can't really compare. But 3.7 thinking is crazy strong for coding.

Re: Claude can now search the web

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Post by jimbokun »

_heimdall wrote: post #131
yoyohello13 wrote: post #125

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The longer I've been in the workforce, the more I realize most humans actually kind of suck at their jobs. LLMs being more human like is the opposite of what I want.

That could very well be because the jobs are effectively useless. By no means does that mean the people are, nor is what the income allows them to do. But most jobs sure do seem pointless.

Unfettered capitalism is pretty good at figuring out which is which. It’s pretty core to Elon Musk’s animating philosophy: get as many jobs as possible then see if there’s any negative impact.

Not as appropriate in a government setting where the impact goes far beyond personal profit and loss.

Re: Claude can now search the web

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Post by dontlikeyoueith »

Matl wrote: post #94
tantalor wrote: post #89

It says a lot about their product vision and intended market that the example query is typescript migration question. Do they not care about typical search users? Only developers?

I'd guess they showed that query because LLMs are a lot better at answering translation/migration type stuff without hallucinating too much.

That's because the attention mechanism was designed for Seq2Seq models (i.e. translation in its most general form).

Any other use of it is a case of "I have a hammer, so that's a nail".

Re: Claude can now search the web

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Post by NavinF »

mavamaarten wrote: post #114
tcdent wrote: post #102

Searching the web is a great feature in theory, but every implementation I've used so far looks at the top X hits and then interprets it to be the correct answer. When you're talking to an LLM about popular topics or common errors, the top results are often just blogspam or unresolved forum posts, so the you never get an answer to your problem. More of an indicator that web search is more unusable than ever, but inte…

Oh yeah this is very much the case. Every time I ask ChatGPT something simple (thinking it'd be a perfect fit for an LLM, not for a google search) and it starts searching, I already know the "answer" is going to be garbage.

Try their Deep Research or grok's DeepSearch. Both do many searches and read many articles over a couple of minutes

Re: Claude can now search the web

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Post by qingcharles »

tcdent wrote: post #181
simonw wrote: post #161

Earlier quoted context omitted.

How long have you been using Google search for? It used to be SO much less likely to return junk.

Google search was actually great between the period where pagerank successfully defeated old-school SEO tactics and banner advertising starting earning enough that the "bloggers" could pay cheap writers to pad their articles in convincing ways. First decade of the 2000's if I had to guess.

2006 was the first year I remember paid blog posts appearing from content farms that would exist only to increase your inbound links and page rank. Those days companies were paying cents per post to get their sites to #1 in Google while Google just wagged their finger and said "naughty, naughty."

It's a shame, because Page Rank was a smart idea.

Re: Claude can now search the web

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Post by jimbokun »

darepublic wrote: post #75
1shooner wrote: post #71

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>You can now use Claude to search the internet to provide more up-to-date and relevant responses. It's a search engine. You 'ask it to read the web' just like you asked Google to, except Google used to actually give the website traffic. I appreciate the concept of an AI User-agent, but without a business model that pays for the content creation, this is just going to lead to the death of anonymously accessible conten…

Well I expect eventually the agent will be able to act on your behalf with your credentials.

Which is fine if you’re paying for a subscription. Will probably soon see one subscription rate allowing AI access on your behalf, and a lower rate without that access. Since a human accessing without a bot is likely to see the ads.

Re: Claude can now search the web

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Post by macrolime »

tcdent wrote: post #102

Searching the web is a great feature in theory, but every implementation I've used so far looks at the top X hits and then interprets it to be the correct answer. When you're talking to an LLM about popular topics or common errors, the top results are often just blogspam or unresolved forum posts, so the you never get an answer to your problem. More of an indicator that web search is more unusable than ever, but inte…

Deep search/deep research in grok, chatgpt, perplexity etc works much better. It can also do things like search in different languages. Wonder about something in some foreign country? Ask it to search in the local language and find things you won't find in English.
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