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Ex-Facebook director's new book paints brutal image of Mark Zuckerberg

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Re: Ex-Facebook director's new book paints brutal image of Mark Zuckerberg

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Post by alex1138 »

piokoch wrote: post #140

What's a surprise, a guy who has stolen startup from Winklevoss brothers and had to settle the case in the court has a "brutal image". Who would've expected that!

It's often described as "you can't steal an idea"

But if he stole code, that's different

If he stole the rollout strategy (to selected universities first) that's also different

I don't know how much he actually took, only that there are IMs with really pleasant things like "I'm going to fuck them in the ear". And making outright fake accounts for the W twins

Re: Ex-Facebook director's new book paints brutal image of Mark Zuckerberg

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Post by buffington »

ViktorRay wrote: post #218

One section of this article seems intellectually dishonest. “Over one dinner, Zuckerberg said Andrew Jackson — known for his populist appeal and his inhumane relocation of Native Americans — was America’s best president and “it’s not even close,” according to Wynn-Williams. ” There are many reasons someone could have a person be a favorite president. It’s unfair to bring up the worst thing a president did in response…

You keep using the words "favorite president", yet the quote you're picking at isn't concerned with Zuckerberg's favorite president. The quote says "America's best president and 'it's not even close'."

That is a very different thing than "favorite president" - that's someone who believes they're being objective, that there's no arguments to be made about what others should see as a simple fact.

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Post by milesrout »

guappa wrote: post #158
milesrout wrote: post #123

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>a friend who is a communist. >His opinions (just as the parent-commenter) are not 'wrong'. Yes they are. Communism is obviously wrong. Are you joking?

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Re: Ex-Facebook director's new book paints brutal image of Mark Zuckerberg

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Post by milesrout »

k_g_b_ wrote: post #152
milesrout wrote: post #121

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Plenty of men get asked to do work that takes them away from their families, including at special events. Controversial, but shouldn't be: men are on average better at standing up for themselves and saying "no".

I'm not sure whether men are truly better on average, or women are just on average more conditioned by our societies not to do so or even if, to do so in a manner that isn't effective. Unlearning ~2 decades of upbringing, education, expectations, some of that from religion, etc when entering the workforce could be pretty hard and significantly affect any statistics around this.

Why does it matter where the statistic has come from? It doesn't make it any less true.

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Post by dep_b »

alex1138 wrote: post #226
dep_b wrote: post #222

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't think Twitter was great before Elon either, but it's definitely worse than before. But I also don't see how Susan Wojcicki was abusing it's leverage like Musk does. But the US simply stopped fighting against tech monopolies at a given point. And started mocking the EU for doing what was common for the US until recently.

Susan made a personal pledge to tackle "misinformation". Like these people https://rumble.com/vt62y6-covid-19-a-second-opinion.html (you actually can find the shortened version on Youtube, but all of those people with real credentials have had their videos pulled at one time or another) That's not her role. You should be policing the obvious stuff but not that, especially when none of it turns out to be misinformatio…

I was commenting about the general quality of the platform was already in decline. And the fact she didn’t seem to do anything with ulterior motive.

Two separate things.

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Post by wisty »

jeswin wrote: post #167
mschuster91 wrote: post #89

Earlier quoted context omitted.

At least with GraphQL I think the world would be better off if it had never seen the light of day. It's a steaming pile of hyper complex dung. And for the other projects, their paths are littered with the dead bodies of engineers who had been ordered to chase down one of Facebook's hype technologies just because "Facebook does it so we can follow their best example".

> At least with GraphQL I think the world would be better off if it had never seen the light of day. It's a steaming pile of hyper complex dung. Of course not. GraphQL has vastly simplified our backend development, and has also resulted in better coordination between backend and frontend teams. There are so many things which GraphQL gets right - TYPES and schemas, traversing entity relationships, selectively querying…

The home-baked solutions it replaced where even worse hyper comlex dung though. Graph databases are a hard problem, so the solutions are never going to be as nice as key-value with an index.

Re: Ex-Facebook director's new book paints brutal image of Mark Zuckerberg

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Post by wisty »

1vuio0pswjnm7 wrote: post #245
wisty wrote: post #45

> A Cautionary Tale of Power, Greed, and Lost Idealism Has anyone ever seen Facebbok as idealistic? As far as I can tell, they've always been basically Amazon (the borg that will win at all costs) but a little more trivial, cool and Web2.0, they were never the "don't be evil" Google, the idealistic Twitter, I can't think of many less ideal driven companies. Facebook beat MySpace IMO because it tricked people into usi…

"Has anyone ever seen Facebook as idealistic?" The title refers to a memoir, an autobiographical account of a time period in the author's life. The word "idealism" refers to the author's idealism, not Facebook's. This is stated in the first sentence of the first chapter. Idealism routinely causes people to see Facebook as something other than what the facts show.

Ah, nice point.

Re: Ex-Facebook director's new book paints brutal image of Mark Zuckerberg

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Post by mschuster91 »

wisty wrote: post #257
jeswin wrote: post #167

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> At least with GraphQL I think the world would be better off if it had never seen the light of day. It's a steaming pile of hyper complex dung. Of course not. GraphQL has vastly simplified our backend development, and has also resulted in better coordination between backend and frontend teams. There are so many things which GraphQL gets right - TYPES and schemas, traversing entity relationships, selectively querying…

The home-baked solutions it replaced where even worse hyper comlex dung though. Graph databases are a hard problem, so the solutions are never going to be as nice as key-value with an index.

> Graph databases are a hard problem, so the solutions are never going to be as nice as key-value with an index.

The key question is do you even need to use a graph database, and for almost everyone not being a social network or other multibillion user count service, the answer is a clear "no, postgres/mysql (depending on familiarity and pain tolerance) is more than enough".

Unfortunately, many developers and even more architects are following "resume driven development" instead of going for something old and tested...

Re: Ex-Facebook director's new book paints brutal image of Mark Zuckerberg

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Post by immibis »

zelphirkalt wrote: post #68
kelnos wrote: post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> My thinking is... can you put this 100% on Sandberg? I mean, I get that the culture is bad, but there's two in this game. Maybe... turn off your phone for a day when you're giving birth?! Sure, but you can look at this in one of two ways. One is the way you seem to be angling for, where we have an employee who is so disturbingly eager to please that she continues to do work at absurd times when no one should ever e…

In an alternative version of reality, she would be so distracted, that she failed to give birth and the child died as a consequence of her being completely absorbed in a toxic work culture. That alternative version of reality would be completely believable, and probably many would not be more surprised than now reading this news. This tells us all we need to know about FB.

I don't think giving birth works that way.
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