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Re: Tell Mozilla: it's time to ditch Google

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Post by paulryanrogers »

derkster wrote: post #240
brooke2k wrote: post #227

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I have never once had an issue with a website that was solved by opening it in Chrome instead. and I switched to firefox like three years ago. If firefox is so much less supported, I'm not seeing it at least

I've been bringing this up in every single thread about Chrome and Manifest V3 pops up. I'm been using Firefox, 100% of the time, on three different operating systems, for probably six years at this point. I can remember a single time I had to swap to Chrome for something, and it was three years ago, and involved some flavor of WebAssembly, I believe. If anyone can point out a current website that is acting up under…

Snyk

Re: Tell Mozilla: it's time to ditch Google

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Post by scarface_74 »

paulryanrogers wrote: post #250
scarface_74 wrote: post #223

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Android is only 30% of the market in the US. I don’t know how much browser usage comes from Chromebooks. Every single Windows and Mac user who uses Chrome made an affirmative choice to download Chrome. Why didn’t they decide to download Firefox?

Did they make an active choice? Or did an OEM or family member add Chrome to their machine? Or did a Google nag banner convince them to switch?

Which PC OEM ships computers with Chrome? And is it somehow anti competitive because a family member chose Chrome over Firefox?

Re: Tell Mozilla: it's time to ditch Google

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Post by Suppafly »

internetter wrote: post #244
nightpool wrote: post #195

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In 2023, Mozilla spend $230 million dollars on software development. And then they also $6 million on "Grants and Fellowships" (which supports many "green field" open source software initiatives), $1 million on Events (under which the event you're worried about probably falls), and $7 on travel (which probably also includes lots of travel to things like C++ conferences and browser standards conferences and other thin…

Of Mozilla's $653 million in 2023 income, $496 million was spent, but only half was on development ($260). Fair enough. But realize mozilla does not exclusively develop a web browser. Instead, they also make Pocket, Firefox Relay, Firefox VPN, Mozilla Monitor, AI products, ect. So probably only 1/3rd of their income is going to browser development, which is pretty bad.

>So probably only 1/3rd of their income is going to browser development, which is pretty bad.

Only because you assume that they should only be working on browser development.

Re: Tell Mozilla: it's time to ditch Google

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Post by fabrice_d »

pkaye wrote: post #232
exploderate wrote: post #11

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Can you explain how? Or is your argument "One guy in a basement in Bulgaria could build Firefox for 50 Stotinki."?

What about the ladybird browser developers. They are mostly volunteers with some paid via donations and sponsors.

And they are nowhere close to have a shippable browser.

Re: Tell Mozilla: it's time to ditch Google

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Post by [deleted] »

fireburning wrote: post #237
JumpCrisscross wrote: post #109

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> good news is that development could easily be funded by donations Mozilla’s donations are roughly equal to their CEO’s compensation [1][2]. [1] https://www.mozilla.org/en-US/foundation/annualreport/2024/a... ”$7.8M in donations from the public, grants from foundations, and government funding” in 2023 [2] https://assets.mozilla.net/annualreport/2022/mozilla-fdn-990... $6.9mm in 2022, page 7

this is hilarious

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Re: Tell Mozilla: it's time to ditch Google

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Post by [deleted] »

JumpCrisscross wrote: post #109
jillesvangurp wrote: post #50

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The good news is that development could easily be funded by donations. It's only a few million. Enough to keep a few dozen people employed. The bad news is that donations are unlikely to happen with the current massive misspending on overpaid people with no technical background that don't code that spend 95% of their budget on themselves, support staff that also doesn't code, offices they don't need, commercial produ…

> good news is that development could easily be funded by donations Mozilla’s donations are roughly equal to their CEO’s compensation [1][2]. [1] https://www.mozilla.org/en-US/foundation/annualreport/2024/a... ”$7.8M in donations from the public, grants from foundations, and government funding” in 2023 [2] https://assets.mozilla.net/annualreport/2022/mozilla-fdn-990... $6.9mm in 2022, page 7

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Re: Tell Mozilla: it's time to ditch Google

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Post by thfuran »

whyenot wrote: post #245

I donated a lot of time, code, and at least a little money to early Mozilla and Firefox. They were a lot more dynamic and engaging when they were a small nonprofit. Now it feels like thanks to Google money they have become fat and lazy. Unable to take risks because it might threaten their income stream or their relationship with Google. It makes me sad and angry to see what they have become. Maybe a diet will help, b…

>Now it feels like thanks to Google money they have become fat and lazy. Unable to take risks

I think Google has that problem too.

Re: Tell Mozilla: it's time to ditch Google

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Post by cruffle_duffle »

t43562 wrote: post #114
hagbard_c wrote: post #102

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Currently Firefox does not do any of those things out of the .deb / .tar.gz . I'd like to keep it that way, hence my resistance against involvement by parties which have shown to be either susceptible to or directly calling for censorship. This is also one of the many reasons why I wanted to see Mitchell Baker disappear from the organisation as she clearly was calling for active censorship. I frankly do not understan…

Governments are not necessarily all about politics - the electricity system isn't and the road network isn't. Private organisations that have great power over important bits of the internet are also not necessarily politically neutral and there is no level to control them.

In California they were shutting the water off from houses where people had parties during lockdowns. Governments absolutely will abuse their powers and should never be trusted.

Re: Tell Mozilla: it's time to ditch Google

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Post by [deleted] »

wmf wrote: post #165
raincole wrote: post #24

So who are going to fund them? Sorry for being cynical, but this "petition" sounds like telling depressed people to "just be more positive." Sure, just find more revenue streams. Just be sustainable. It's so easy!

It sounds like the goal is the same search contract just not with Google.

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Re: Tell Mozilla: it's time to ditch Google

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Post by cship2 »

oaththrowaway wrote: post #170
jqpabc123 wrote: post #100

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Brave is based on Chromium and it still supports manifest v2. Brave offers everything Firefox does and more --- like privacy by default (which Firefox could but won't do for obvious reasons) --- all without millions in direct Google payola. https://brave.com/blog/brave-shields-manifest-v3/

Brave doesn't support multi-account containers.

Just make a new profile like all chromium based browser
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