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Best Buy and Target CEOs say prices are about to go up because of tariffs

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Re: Best Buy and Target CEOs say prices are about to go up because of tariffs

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Post by emodendroket »

Aloha wrote: post #234
emodendroket wrote: post #233

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> labor cost, regulatory regime, environmental rules, and human rights costs These don't strike you as themes they're interested in? They're kneecapping or eliminating regulators and driving up unemployment. Their deportation drives, it's true, are a bit contradictory here, but those have other motivations.

Not particularly, no. I do think they want to create more manufacturing jobs, which in general are a better quality than service ones however.

In what sense are they “better”?

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Post by leptons »

ToucanLoucan wrote: post #237
leptons wrote: post #134

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> Now it's vote for who you dislike the least. For 1/3 of eligible voters, it's "I don't care about voting".

For a substantial portion of those third: 1) They can't vote, either because of local politicians meddling in their election process/with their polling places, being convicted of bullshit non-crimes, or simply being unable to get to a polling place. Shock of shocks, majority of political fuckery involved in taking away people's right to vote is brought about by conservatives. Even more shocking, the groups that tend…

>To be clear: this is not "both sides are bad." Both sides are bad, but one is just useless bad, and the other is actively tearing down the state to sow chaos

Nope, that's just more uninformed "both sides are the same" nonsense.

The Democrat and Republican voting record proves you wrong.

And one side is only "useless" because the other side are obstructionists, and that side can only obstruct because too many people with low IQs believed lies and voted against their best interests.

Re: Best Buy and Target CEOs say prices are about to go up because of tariffs

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Post by jemmyw »

lazide wrote: post #248
jemmyw wrote: post #247

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No, they won't go to war over it. But it'll be the end of the post war consensus, probably the end of NATO. It's a cliff, once you go over it there's no coming back.

He’s literally said he wants to get the US out of NATO multiple times, because it’s a ‘bad deal’.

Yeah I know. Not arguing, just pointing out it's not a small move. He's said a lot of stuff, but hasn't yet put the US in a position with it's allies that can't be rowed back.

Re: Best Buy and Target CEOs say prices are about to go up because of tariffs

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Post by Aloha »

emodendroket wrote: post #251
Aloha wrote: post #234

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Not particularly, no. I do think they want to create more manufacturing jobs, which in general are a better quality than service ones however.

In what sense are they “better”?

Manufacturing generally provides higher margin than service jobs, so the generally provide better benefits.

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Post by chii »

Aloha wrote: post #254
emodendroket wrote: post #251

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In what sense are they “better”?

Manufacturing generally provides higher margin than service jobs, so the generally provide better benefits.

> Manufacturing generally provides higher margin than service jobs

manufacturing jobs outsourced to low cost countries begs to differ.

Now of course, you'd argue that those are the bad ones, and the good ones are what you'd want to keep (like semiconductor manufacturing).

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Post by lazide »

jemmyw wrote: post #253
lazide wrote: post #248

Earlier quoted context omitted.

He’s literally said he wants to get the US out of NATO multiple times, because it’s a ‘bad deal’.

Yeah I know. Not arguing, just pointing out it's not a small move. He's said a lot of stuff, but hasn't yet put the US in a position with it's allies that can't be rowed back.

How long do you think until he does?

Personally, I figure a month or less.

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Post by emodendroket »

Aloha wrote: post #254
emodendroket wrote: post #251

Earlier quoted context omitted.

In what sense are they “better”?

Manufacturing generally provides higher margin than service jobs, so the generally provide better benefits.

The opposite is true. The highest-margin stuff is services (like, to choose the obvious one, software). Frankly it seems pretty obvious to me why margins would tend to be lower for manufactured goods, especially commodity ones — you have more inputs besides labor, the primary one a service-oriented business has to worry about. There is a fairly sensible reason we don’t have those jobs.

I suppose you have in mind jobs like home health aides. But 1) we really do need a lot of them with an aging population 2) I’m not sure their lives would be improved by working in a textile mill instead.

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Post by MichaelZuo »

johnnyanmac wrote: post #180
MichaelZuo wrote: post #179

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This doesn’t make sense. Of course I know you are a different user, otherwise I would have reiterated the unanswered question directly.

I'm not a mind reader and my question was never focused on that part of the conversation. I have no opinion on the aforementionedtamgent. What are you asking me about (since you won't engage in the original conversation)

This makes even less sense…

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Post by pfannkuchen »

bodiekane wrote: post #220
pfannkuchen wrote: post #201

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I like that you did a full 180 between your two comments in this thread. First it was "Trump seems to habitually make hyperbolic and ridiculous sounding statements" to pretend it's all talk and not representative of actual policy. And then a complete switch to supporting all of the policies which started as "hyperbolic and ridiculous sounding statements" on tariffs, immigration and Russian imperialism. Also, it seems…

It’s not a full 180, you are just viewing a flattened lower dimensional version of what I am saying (I can speculate on the reasons).

Hyperbolic and ridiculous statements include: annexing Greenland by force, annexing Canada at all, permanent significantly higher tariffs on Canada and Mexico

Actual goals: maybe annexing Greenland through pressure tactics, making Canada stop expecting special treatment (the whole annexation thing is just “if you want special treatment, you’re welcome to become a state, otherwise gtfo”), temporary tariffs as a pressure tactic on allies, permanent protectionist tariffs against China and places that launder Chinese goods, America stops interfering in extended family disputes internationally.

For the record I think Trump as a person is a clown and I wish we had serious people as politicians, but it is annoying to see everyone being hysterical all the time over the guy.

I am calling your worldview fairy tale because it moralizes political and international matters. Russia is not evil. America is not good. America is not evil. Russia is not good. These are massive oversimplifications, and it is worryingly reminiscent of war propaganda from old newspapers.

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