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GLP-1 drugs: An economic disruptor? (2024)

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Re: GLP-1 drugs: An economic disruptor? (2024)

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Post by otterley »

crazygringo wrote: post #229
submeta wrote: post #118

Big food corporations profit from ultra-processed foods that manipulate our natural systems. They design products that override satiety signals using calculated combinations of sugar, fat and salt to activate brain dopamine pathways. Their priority is profit growth, not consumer health. The consequences are significant health issues like obesity, diabetes and cardiovascular diseases. Healthcare systems struggle with…

> Big food corporations profit from ultra-processed foods that manipulate our natural systems. I've just never bought this. Does grandma manipulate you when she adds sugar to her cherry pie? Does she manipulate you when she adds salt to her mashed potatoes? Foods -- "ultra-processed" or not -- don't "manipulate" you. They literally just either taste better or taste worse. Grandma, and her grandma before her, used sug…

You should visit a food processing plant sometime. What they are doing with food is not what your grandma does when she cooks it from ingredients you can buy at the grocery store. And I bet your grandma doesn’t have a food chemistry lab to fine tune her recipes.

Similarly, fig trees don’t make Fig Newtons. They make figs.

Re: GLP-1 drugs: An economic disruptor? (2024)

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Post by fallingknife »

submeta wrote: post #118

Big food corporations profit from ultra-processed foods that manipulate our natural systems. They design products that override satiety signals using calculated combinations of sugar, fat and salt to activate brain dopamine pathways. Their priority is profit growth, not consumer health. The consequences are significant health issues like obesity, diabetes and cardiovascular diseases. Healthcare systems struggle with…

"Big food corporations" lol. You think every professional chef doesn't know the same tricks? There are basically 3 things that taste good. Fat, salt, and sugar.

Re: GLP-1 drugs: An economic disruptor? (2024)

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Post by raphman »

Is this person an expert of any kind? They throw around dozens of numbers without any sources. For example,

> 'A movie theater chain recently analyzed their user data and discovered that 72% of their profits came from concessions, primarily from impulse purchases made by people who swore they "wouldn't buy anything."'

This combination of non-descript source, precise numbers, and 'quotes' looks like the usual bullshit one reads in self-help books. I conducted a quick online search but couldn't find any direct source for this claim (although the number might be in the right ballpark).

Re: GLP-1 drugs: An economic disruptor? (2024)

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Post by valunord »

cj wrote: post #19

I started Tirzepatide 3-4 weeks ago. (Mostly as an experiment to understand the hype around GLP's... I don't have diabetes and only very slightly overweight at 20% body fat). Even at the lowest 2.5mg starter dose which you're only allowed to stay on for 1 month: - Extreme appetite suppression to the point where I've started calorie counting specifically to make sure that I'm eating enough. It's incredibly easy to for…

Thanks for experimenting with your body. I'll be sure to check back in about ten years to see how all this shakes out.

Keto + intermittent fasting are my magic pill right now and have been for some years.

Re: GLP-1 drugs: An economic disruptor? (2024)

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Post by throwaway657656 »

netsharc wrote: post #78
GZGavinZhao wrote: post #70

I would feel like an absolute failure if I need medicine to help create willpower. EDIT: under the assumption of an average person who is not under any medical condition that may result in lack of willpower

Wasn't there an ADHD drug that was popular for hyper-productivity, in the years where being productive was all the hype?

Not ADHD specifically, but about 12 years ago, the media was hyping Provigil as a "secret weapon" of the ultra-productive.

Despite having a prescription, CVS told me that my insurance wouldn't cover it and it would cost $1500 for 30 pills. I walked away and then went back to buy it. If I could just get 30 additional minutes of billable time per day per pill it would be worth it.

I took about 5 over a week and destroyed the rest. It wasn't good for anything but keep me awake in a semi-zombie low-creative state. This very expensive drug/lesson was effective and making me realize I need to seriously work on my impulse control.

Re: GLP-1 drugs: An economic disruptor? (2024)

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Post by wakawaka28 »

crazygringo wrote: post #229
submeta wrote: post #118

Big food corporations profit from ultra-processed foods that manipulate our natural systems. They design products that override satiety signals using calculated combinations of sugar, fat and salt to activate brain dopamine pathways. Their priority is profit growth, not consumer health. The consequences are significant health issues like obesity, diabetes and cardiovascular diseases. Healthcare systems struggle with…

> Big food corporations profit from ultra-processed foods that manipulate our natural systems. I've just never bought this. Does grandma manipulate you when she adds sugar to her cherry pie? Does she manipulate you when she adds salt to her mashed potatoes? Foods -- "ultra-processed" or not -- don't "manipulate" you. They literally just either taste better or taste worse. Grandma, and her grandma before her, used sug…

Yeah it's anti-capitalist rants at every turn around here. Capitalism is the best system we have to make people happy in a fair way. It's not a system to teach people the benefits of moderation or charity. You're supposed to bring that to the table yourself. There's no economic system in the world that can fix character flaws.

Re: GLP-1 drugs: An economic disruptor? (2024)

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Post by resoluteteeth »

TeMPOraL wrote: post #165
ForTheKidz wrote: post #116

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Then again, anyone who’s in a calorie deficit has lower energy. Presumably if you're trying to lose weight, you have energy to burn you carry around with you. A calorie deficit doesn't imply lack of calories to burn. Presumably you're trying to trigger ketogenesis. Granted, this is a lot less easy to access than simply eating simple carbs right before a workout and likely a lot less comfortable.

> Presumably you're trying to trigger ketogenesis. Only if you're actually on a keto diet; most weight loss routines run a calorie deficit without triggering ketogenesis. Also there's this whole thing about set points - you probably got to your weight somehow , and if it wasn't through consistently making stupid choices over many years, chances are this is what the body learned to consider an equilibrium state. Which…

> Also there's this whole thing about set points - you probably got to your weight somehow, and if it wasn't through consistently making stupid choices over many years, chances are this is what the body learned to consider an equilibrium state.

The idea of set points is controversial and not necessarily the accepted scientific consensus.

Re: GLP-1 drugs: An economic disruptor? (2024)

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Post by lm28469 »

crazygringo wrote: post #229
submeta wrote: post #118

Big food corporations profit from ultra-processed foods that manipulate our natural systems. They design products that override satiety signals using calculated combinations of sugar, fat and salt to activate brain dopamine pathways. Their priority is profit growth, not consumer health. The consequences are significant health issues like obesity, diabetes and cardiovascular diseases. Healthcare systems struggle with…

> Big food corporations profit from ultra-processed foods that manipulate our natural systems. I've just never bought this. Does grandma manipulate you when she adds sugar to her cherry pie? Does she manipulate you when she adds salt to her mashed potatoes? Foods -- "ultra-processed" or not -- don't "manipulate" you. They literally just either taste better or taste worse. Grandma, and her grandma before her, used sug…

No matter how I look at it 60g of sugar in small bottle of coke is criminal. My wife bakes cakes for 10 people with less added sugar.

Junk food definitely is designed to abuse our natural instincts and needs, from packaging to ingredients. Go one year without processed food, you won't physically be able to drink coke or eat fastfood

Re: GLP-1 drugs: An economic disruptor? (2024)

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Post by lurk2 »

sfpotter wrote: post #156
lurk2 wrote: post #149

It's an interesting idea, but ultimately being sensationalized. The article starts off by making a compelling case that the widespread adoption of these impulse-control drugs will disrupt the economy and lead to many changes in business models built around impulse buys. The issue is that these drugs only entered the public consciousness within the last two years, and many of the business model changes that the author…

??? They're going to be trying to get on a weight loss drug, not an "impulse control drug". And I don't see why you would assume there's little overlap between people who desperately want to lose weight and people who drive drunk.

From the article: "We're not just talking about weight loss. We're discussing the first medication that effectively regulates human impulse control. Think about that."

> I don't see why you would assume there's little overlap between people who desperately want to lose weight and people who drive drunk.

This is only a hunch, but I would guess that drunk driving is associated with low conscientiousness and that the sorts of people who are going to go through the trouble of getting medicated to lose weight are unlikely to be the sorts of people who drive drunk in the first place.

Maybe I was misinterpreting the point he was trying to make.

Re: GLP-1 drugs: An economic disruptor? (2024)

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Post by crazygringo »

otterley wrote: post #251
crazygringo wrote: post #229

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Big food corporations profit from ultra-processed foods that manipulate our natural systems. I've just never bought this. Does grandma manipulate you when she adds sugar to her cherry pie? Does she manipulate you when she adds salt to her mashed potatoes? Foods -- "ultra-processed" or not -- don't "manipulate" you. They literally just either taste better or taste worse. Grandma, and her grandma before her, used sug…

You should visit a food processing plant sometime. What they are doing with food is not what your grandma does when she cooks it from ingredients you can buy at the grocery store. And I bet your grandma doesn’t have a food chemistry lab to fine tune her recipes. Similarly, fig trees don’t make Fig Newtons. They make figs.

Oh, I'm familiar with it. And you know what? They mostly are doing what grandma does. Just in vastly larger ovens etc. Even if you want to talk about corn syrup, what do you think grandma made her pecan pie with?

And the things that are different -- emulsifiers, stabilizers, natural/artifical flavors, etc. -- aren't actually making the product unhealthy, at least not in any way that causes weight gain. Those aren't sugars, fats, or salt. They're just making it last longer on the shelf, and have more flavor. But it's not changing the nutrition, and it's not making us eat more of it.

You really think Chips Ahoy is making you fat in a way that grandma's chocolate chip cookies don't?

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