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Zelensky leaves White House after angry meeting

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Re: Zelensky leaves White House after angry meeting

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I don’t know what to believe much these days. So instead, I look to see at what actions are being taken instead of endlessly reading news and forums for consensus.

And what I see is Europe doesn’t seem to care much if Ukraine falls. The United States, has been supporting Ukraine far more up to this point, and they are not the ones facing the prospect of having Russia in their backyard breathing down their back. So if Europe doesn’t give a fuck, maybe it really means the fall of Ukraine ultimately doesn’t mean much to anyone except the Ukrainian people. The world will move on. This helps keep me calm and prevents me from stressing over most world affairs.

And another thing I wonder is what exactly is so bad about Russia anyways? Their leader sucks, but so does ours, and don’t people of both nations just want a good life at the end of the day? How different are they really from us? When I see TikTok interviews of everyday Russians in the streets, they are just like us, similar beliefs about their own country and what is wrong with the world. I understand less and less the source of our conflict.

Re: Zelensky leaves White House after angry meeting

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I got this weird dissonance - like this was a science from a TV show about the White House, because no-one, I mean no-one would ever do that inpublic. Apart from common courtesy, even basic management training says praise in public, criticise in private. Just doing this in front of the world’s media … it’s hard to understand

> no-one, I mean no-one would ever do that inpublic

I agree. It seemed to me like Zelensky initiated the public display. Both trump and jd Vance we also commenting on his inappropriate public statements.

Re: Zelensky leaves White House after angry meeting

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post #82

It looks like the US wants a regime change in Ukraine, it's possible that this became a pre condition from russia for talks to go forward. OTOH, a minerals deal with the US ensures that the US will have a stake in defending the postwar ukraine. Lots of drama and optics involved for sure, but it seems the outcome or the talks was predetermined JdVance will not last for long - is there procedure to replace him?

>a minerals deal with the US ensures that the US will have a stake in defending the postwar ukraine.

It will not. Trump will simply use the deal as an excuse to betray Ukraine (more than he already has). I can practically hear it playing out now.

"I had to force Ukraine to completely surrender to Russia. It was the only way to make sure Russia honored the mineral rights granted to my billionaire friends."

Re: Zelensky leaves White House after angry meeting

#256
It is quite clear that Trump does not have the temperament to be a president or a leader of any kind. Clearly, he was venting and has not calculated the consequences of his words to US (and his own) interests. Also clear is the glaring absence of any counterbalancing influences from his cabinet and staff. It is so easy now for this government to make a huge mistake that can cause irreversible damage to the US and the world.

Re: Zelensky leaves White House after angry meeting

#257

On the bright side, the more clearly Trump displays his gross incompetence, the more quickly he will be deposed.

I think most Americans have already made up their mind on Donald Trump. Nothing will matter until individuals' personal financial situations are affected.

Re: Zelensky leaves White House after angry meeting

#258
It's a bit odd that literally every single top comment is pro-Zelenskyy and anti-White House.

I haven't seen a single thoughtful critique of Zelenskyy or his behavior on HN; it seems very one-sided and strange.

(also interesting that the BBC mispelled his last name, even though they're obviously big fans..)

Re: Zelensky leaves White House after angry meeting

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post #252

China can be pretty sure that the US will not act if they attack Taiwan. Trump and Vance are weak. All talk, no walk.

MORE: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=43209538

This is what I'm thinking.

Now would be a great time for China to start an invasion. It would be a crime. China today, that government is not above committing international crimes.

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