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Framework's first desktop is a strange–but unique–mini ITX gaming PC

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Re: Framework's first desktop is a strange–but unique–mini ITX gaming PC

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Post by rkagerer »

aroman wrote: post #231
imglorp wrote: post #186

The Framework website right now: You are now in line. Thank you for your patience. Your estimated wait time is 7 minutes. We are experiencing a high volume of traffic and using a virtual queue to limit the amount of users on the website at the same time. This will ensure you have the best possible online experience. What the hell, Cloudflare? CDN with a wait time, really?

Lol - it's not that Cloudflare can't handle the traffic. It's the _framework_ can't handle the traffic and set up Cloudflare to ratelimit entry using their Waiting Room[0] product. Clearly poorly messaged if it made you think it was a Cloudflare capacity issue! [0] https://www.cloudflare.com/application-services/products/wai...

WTF indeed, Framework. The whole point of a CDN is to keep your website operational when the number of visits scale up. A "waiting room" might as well be a 404.

Here's a screenshot of https://frame.work/ca/en/blog/category/news:

https://i.imgur.com/7BcLyCX.png

There's nothing up there that couldn't be statically cached.

Re: Framework's first desktop is a strange–but unique–mini ITX gaming PC

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Post by izacus »

WhyNotHugo wrote: post #208
coldpie wrote: post #22

Two other Framework announcements: New 12-inch laptop form factor with 360 degree hinge (ie "tablet mode") and a touchscreen. No price announced, but it is aimed at students: https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2025/02/frameworks-laptop-12... New mainboard upgrade options for Framework 13 models: https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2025/02/framework-gives-its-...

I don’t quite get why framework focuses so much on Intel and AMD. ARM laptops are in the rise, and don’t need active cooling. It’s hard for me to think of upgrading to another laptop with fans when so many fanless (I.e.: silent) options are available.

Because AMD chips achieve ARM efficiency without dealing with ARM compatibility mess.

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Post by piskov »

abound wrote: post #235
te-x wrote: post #168

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's still a modular computer, just not a laptop. It's more like if Tesla made an electric scooter

The soldered RAM is surprising for Framework, and doubly surprising for being so in a form-factor that usually doesn't have soldered RAM. Similar to what other commenters have expressed, it just seems like they shouldn't have built this product if they couldn't figure out the soldered RAM bit.

They went for local LLM route and for that high-bandwidth memory is a must.

Consider it a low-price alternative to mac mini or nvidia’s box.

This can also be chained though not as effectively as macs for example (those have thunderbolt for interconnect)

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Post by cgcrob »

GuB-42 wrote: post #163

It is a weird product for the Framework brand. The pitch for the Framework laptop is that it is repairable/upgradable/modular. Something that is uncommon for laptops nowadays. This is the opposite. Desktops are modular by default, so much is that my computer is like the Ship of Theseus, I never changed it, but upgrade to upgrade, it is a completely different machine than it once was (it started off as a 486!). This o…

I don’t think I’ve upgraded a desktop machine for about 10 years. I usually buy a 1-3 year old corporate desktop and use it for 2-4 years, buy another one and throw the old one on eBay.

I’m on a 10500 based Lenovo thing at the moment.

My needs are not immense though.

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Post by rcarmo »

Etheryte wrote: post #73

One interesting angle here could be if this had good compatibility with SteamOS to the point where it supported most/all the games the Steam Deck does. That would make it a very appealing offering, since right now DIY SteamOS setups are a pretty wild west.

It will. Bazzite has been providing that to me on older Ryzen mini-PCs for a long while now.

Re: Framework's first desktop is a strange–but unique–mini ITX gaming PC

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Post by danielEM »

abound wrote: post #235
te-x wrote: post #168

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's still a modular computer, just not a laptop. It's more like if Tesla made an electric scooter

The soldered RAM is surprising for Framework, and doubly surprising for being so in a form-factor that usually doesn't have soldered RAM. Similar to what other commenters have expressed, it just seems like they shouldn't have built this product if they couldn't figure out the soldered RAM bit.

That is not a framework choice, that is an AMD architecture that doesn't use regular RAM modules as it requires wider data bus

Re: Framework's first desktop is a strange–but unique–mini ITX gaming PC

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Post by rokweom »

abound wrote: post #235
te-x wrote: post #168

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's still a modular computer, just not a laptop. It's more like if Tesla made an electric scooter

The soldered RAM is surprising for Framework, and doubly surprising for being so in a form-factor that usually doesn't have soldered RAM. Similar to what other commenters have expressed, it just seems like they shouldn't have built this product if they couldn't figure out the soldered RAM bit.

Apparently this is due to signal integrity. AMD says swappable RAM is not possible. Source: LinusTechTips video.

Re: Framework's first desktop is a strange–but unique–mini ITX gaming PC

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Post by saurik »

WhyNotHugo wrote: post #208
coldpie wrote: post #22

Two other Framework announcements: New 12-inch laptop form factor with 360 degree hinge (ie "tablet mode") and a touchscreen. No price announced, but it is aimed at students: https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2025/02/frameworks-laptop-12... New mainboard upgrade options for Framework 13 models: https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2025/02/framework-gives-its-...

I don’t quite get why framework focuses so much on Intel and AMD. ARM laptops are in the rise, and don’t need active cooling. It’s hard for me to think of upgrading to another laptop with fans when so many fanless (I.e.: silent) options are available.

They don't seem to care about needing a fan, and the community on their forums is actively hostile--even brutal--to people who don't want a fan (the zeitgeist there seems to believe that any compromise to performance at all costs is incompetence). It is particularly frustrating as you don't even have to go ARM to drop the fan: there are chips even from Intel that do not need fans, such as any of the ones in all of the 12" laptops I have used for the past dozen or so years (including the one I am using right now, which also happens to have a much much better screen than this new Framework: a Samsung Galaxy Chromebook 2 360, whose only flaw is it doesn't have enough RAM).
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