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Re: Signal to leave Sweden if backdoor law passes

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Post by sadeshmukh »

Havoc wrote: post #165
qwertox wrote: post #15

Apple did the right thing in the UK. This means that neither politicians nor the military will benefit from E2EE, while it's clear that they wished that just the plebes would be affected by this. Maybe all IMs should then drop encryption altogether, bringing us back to the stone age of clear text messaging (email sent unencrypted between MTAs). Because this "please let them use encryption, but let us peek around it"…

> Because this "please let them use encryption, but let us peek around it" just doesn't feel right. Most of gov regulation works like that. You can have guns but only registered ones. Machines guns illegal unless it’s military etc

But it is not encryption if it can be broken. It's like guns, but they can remotely disable them with devices planted in each.

Re: Signal to leave Sweden if backdoor law passes

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Post by kdmtctl »

hx8 wrote: post #111
disruptiveink wrote: post #60

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Google ultimately did that for China. The outcome in that case is that the domestic market filled in the gaps, while complying to all relevant authoritarian legislation. I do not believe that the same would happen for every market where these stunts are being pulled off, at least not to the same level of quality. Why are European countries trying to pull one off from the China playbook, while simultaneously being sho…

Having to build local alternatives probably had a positive impact on China's software industry. We're at a point today that major Chinese software/tech companies are routinely talked about on nightly news.

China has a user base that could make any app insanely popular. In the single country. Not to mention that EU has less people, EU is also very diverse culturally and the gap keeps widen.

Re: Signal to leave Sweden if backdoor law passes

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Post by tga_d »

bee_rider wrote: post #109
metayrnc wrote: post #3

> The Armed Forces, on the other hand, are negative and write in a letter to the government that the proposal cannot be realized "without introducing vulnerabilities and backdoors that can be exploited by third parties First time I am seeing an organization against this. Kudos to them for standing up.

TOR was sort of famously contributed to by a dude in US Naval research early on, right? They are militaries, not police or intelligence forces. The job is to be ready to do war, not nanny and snoop on civilians (Some of that might be a necessary side effect but it isn’t their reason for being).

The NRL originally developed onion routing and Tor. It was then open sourced, stewarded by the EFF for a few years, before becoming its own non-profit. The NRL still do a ton of work on Tor and its ecosystem, primarily through academic research and occasionally code, though the Tor Project is obviously now the biggest player in the space. The original motivation was to enable communicating with covert assets (intelligence services and the like) overseas, which requires lots of non-military cover traffic to be useful, hence the opening up. Its popularity as an anti-censorship tool has motivated a lot of the continued support from various US agencies, including the NRL. Really though, the NRL is a largely civilian institution, and while the people who work there do work for the military, they aren't typically enlisted, have limited security clearance if any, etc. It's sort of like the Navy's version of Microsoft Research, or Bell Labs.

Re: Signal to leave Sweden if backdoor law passes

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Post by kikokikokiko »

tremon wrote: post #194
kikokikokiko wrote: post #74

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"Personally, I'd only trust a governmental agency to provide such services" I understand where you're coming from, "the ultimate goal of a company is to profit and so we can not trust it to protect their users/consumers interests instead of their own" but... you know that it is always the government that will put you in prison, or send you to war right? That it is a blob of power, controlled by people right? This gov…

you know that it is always the government that will put you in prison, or send you to war You're merely playing word games here. A person keeping another human being against their will is called slavery or abduction instead of prison. Similarly, it's only called war when it's a government doing it, otherwise it's called activism, terrorism, or gang warfare (note the overload of the term). The main difference between…

Why do you presupose I am a US citizen?

Re: Signal to leave Sweden if backdoor law passes

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Post by EasyMark »

nickslaughter02 wrote: post #69

FYI the EU wide proposal to scan all your private messages using an AI agent on your devices also originated in Sweden by EU Commissioner Ylva Johansson in 2022. > EU Commissioner Ylva Johansson has also been heavily criticised regarding the process in which the proposal was drafted and promoted. A transnational investigation by European media outlets revealed the close involvement of foreign technology and law enfor…

is there some fascist movement in Sweden that I haven't heard about?

Re: Signal to leave Sweden if backdoor law passes

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Post by bloqs »

paganel wrote: post #20
throwaway894345 wrote: post #8

It seems like a lot of these proposals are coming out of Europe—assuming I’m not mistaken (and I may well be), why is Europe cracking down so much on privacy?

Because we’re cuckolds and a politically dead society. Also very old. After you’re passed the age of 40 you’re more interested from your pension is going to get paid for when the day will come, not in abstract things like “freedom” and what have you.

This made me immediately picture all of my 40 plus friends and colleagues and... Its completely accurate. Aging slippers-and-tea Brits in comfortable office jobs with very little mortgage stress and a lot of time to virtue signal on facebook are some of the most useless, autopilot zombies the human race has ever seen

Re: Signal to leave Sweden if backdoor law passes

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Post by bryanrasmussen »

diggan wrote: post #58
bryanrasmussen wrote: post #25

Earlier quoted context omitted.

as a general rule countries that succeed with a policy of neutrality do so by having their military strong enough that they're mot worth fucking with.

> having their military strong enough That's not how Sweden remained "neutral" though, although I'm not sure I'd agree Sweden been neutral since 1814, wasn't exactly neutral before/during the second world war. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sweden_during_World_War_II

in your link there are numerous indications that Sweden keeps its military strong enough that it isn't worth fucking with, as in this quote

>Georg Homin, a captain on the General Staff, stated:

> Without a defensive force we cannot follow any policy of our own, our declarations become merely empty words and we leave the country's fate to chance, or to the decisions of others. With a defense as strong as Swedish conditions allow, we secure for ourselves the basis of a continued independent Swedish policy.

obviously strong enough that not worth fucking with is a relative thing, based on a calculation of what do you get for attacking, how much will you have to spend to get that?

Re: Signal to leave Sweden if backdoor law passes

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Post by Schiendelman »

frontalier wrote: post #89
Schiendelman wrote: post #32

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Have you ever read the book The Corporation? It goes into some detail about why corporations can't do that. Not "won't" - can't.

i did not read the book but i did read the news when google gave up on serving censored search results in china

What would you say the difference is between Google in 2010 in China and Apple in 2025 in the UK?
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