Live data from Hacker News

Johnny.Decimal – A system to organise your life

johnnydecimal.com

251–260 of 300 posts

Re: Johnny.Decimal – A system to organise your life

#251
It's beautiful things like this exist for people and they are happy with them, but I cannot think of anything more stressful to me!

Flat system of tags + Search + Fuzzy Find + Scanner + OCR + Giant Pile has been the route to happiness for me.

My brain just isn't wired for hierarchy at all.

Re: Johnny.Decimal – A system to organise your life

#253

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This! i prefer tags over folders for this reason. All notes go into single folder , no sub directories . Because a note can have multiple classifications a tree structure is not natural way to organize them. Add tags , if you have note taking program will show you all possible existing tags you it makes this easier.

I love tags until I actually use them, I always wind up using them inconsistently, or not at all for a specific file, and them bam, I can't find anything at all. The benefit of file structures is that things have to have a place, you can't not put something in a folder, so for car insurance, it might be in "insurance" or "cars" but it's definitely one or the other. With tags, it could be "insurance", "finance", "cars…

Sometimes autocomplete works for me, so I avoid the "auto" vs "automobile" but it falls apart as soon as I realize I have "autombile" suggested and now I wonder what to do to re-tag files.

Re: Johnny.Decimal – A system to organise your life

#255
post #90

Its a beautiful system but where my head explodes (and has been exploding for 4 decades) is over the following scenario. So in Johnny's system, I assign 21 to automobiles. My VW van gets 21.1, my Citron is 21.2, etc. and the insurance for each car gets a .8 so 21.1.8, 21.2.8, etc. And I assign 13 to Money. Insurance belongs under money so 13.5 is insurance and life insurance gets 13.5.1, E&O insurance gets 13.5.2, et…

You’ve hit the nail on its head here. Almost every piece of information I save has more than one type of contextual relevance, this is not handled by any hierarchical organization system no matter how clever the addressing is. At a certain scale and complexity, I simply cannot remember the magic incantation URL for whatever it is I need. Even search falls apart frequently, because I saved some reference using an abbreviation or synonym to what I think I need.

It doesnt take so much “scale” if one has deficient short term memory/recall/adhd or is (as youve elegantly put it) “too retarded”. (hey - samesies)

Tags/content classifiers/ontologies are I think the solution here, but require continuously grooming your data to ensure it’s classified correctly - a time investment.

My opinion is that modern ML classifiers are helping,l - Ive found some help with tools that recently added auto-tagging - and I think the real magic bullet will be augmenting this capability with relevant personal/activity context. An algorithm can infer much of the contextual relevances that are missing from the current tools if it can match some incoming information to any or all of the areas/topics/projects/horizons/decimal-things that users of organizational tools have decided are important to them.

Re: Johnny.Decimal – A system to organise your life

#256

Just a general observation as someone nearing 50. I'm honestly very curious to see if someone has had a different experience than me. I'm am, to put it mildly, not an "organized person". I have tried a million different systems throughout my life - GTD, Inbox Zero, spreadsheets, etc. etc. To be honest, I don't believe that any of these "organization systems" really help people that have problems being organized in th…

I'm the same way. I just send myself emails when I need to save or keep track of something. I throw in some keywords that I'll know I'll search for in the future if/when I need to reference back. This works 95%+ of the time. For physical documents I need to save, I'll just keep it in a stack and periodically throw them in my scanner and save them in one PDF file and put it in a google drive folder for searching (using AI or otherwise) later. Most of these documents I never need again anyway, but at least they're there.

I know the organization people are probably horrified by all this, but I know myself well enough by now to know that I just won't stick to any system more complicated than this. The most important thing is that all that stuff is there, somewhere, if I really need it. I am essentially saving the effort up-front that I will 100% have to do in exchange for a little more effort later down the line which I probably won't have to do because I usually never need any of that stuff anyway.

Re: Johnny.Decimal – A system to organise your life

#257

Just a general observation as someone nearing 50. I'm honestly very curious to see if someone has had a different experience than me. I'm am, to put it mildly, not an "organized person". I have tried a million different systems throughout my life - GTD, Inbox Zero, spreadsheets, etc. etc. To be honest, I don't believe that any of these "organization systems" really help people that have problems being organized in th…

I gave up. find and grep work really well together, so that's what I use now. I try to add keywords to filenames of important files so I have a chance of finding them again. I do the search incrementally, e.g. find ./ | grep -i insurance. then if there's a load of stuff, I'll try to narrow it down with further greps or with -v.

Re: Johnny.Decimal – A system to organise your life

#258

Just a general observation as someone nearing 50. I'm honestly very curious to see if someone has had a different experience than me. I'm am, to put it mildly, not an "organized person". I have tried a million different systems throughout my life - GTD, Inbox Zero, spreadsheets, etc. etc. To be honest, I don't believe that any of these "organization systems" really help people that have problems being organized in th…

[dead]

Re: Johnny.Decimal – A system to organise your life

#259
post #219

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Johnny here. This is the canonical example, and I quote it myself: is it `Insurance > Car` or `Car > Insurance`? In reality you just decide. One feels better to your brain. And you tend to remember that. It helps of course if you remain consistent. In the systems we design we’ve realised that most people want the insurance close to the thing being insured . So in our life admin system we have health, pet, home, motor…

> And you tend to remember that. Haha, nope. Different brains work differently. One day I genuinely prefer one, a week later another.

I feel you; as a pretty happy user of Johnny.Decimal over 7-ish years, I’ve preempted this a bit with symlinks. It reduces the available assignment space but saves time when brain goes alt-brain.

One observation from over the years which matters because I keep separate sustains for personal (including freelance work) and employee office work. I usually can pick just one place and remember it for the latter whereas personal is a land of struggle and experimentation.

Post reply on HN