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Re: X users are unable to post “Signal.me” links

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Post by robin_reala »

alt227 wrote: post #240
BSDobelix wrote: post #205

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>So are we seeing full free speech in action? Even free speech has its limits...for example calling for the extermination of a race. >Or is whats right decided by which side people agree with? Correct, most of the time it is, and that is exactly why laws (esp. international ones) exist and Justitia is/should be blind.

> Even free speech has its limits It doesnt though, thats the point. Its the same as competition in a capitalist marketplace. A company can sell terrible products and what should happen is people see they are terrible products and vote with their wallet to stop buying. Then the company goes out of business. With free speech if somebody is saying something that other people think is terrible, they should stop listenin…

The free market on its own doesn’t work, that’s why we have regulation in place to guide it to a place that minimises the long term damage while consumers try to maximise the short-term benefit.

It’s an interesting analogy to free speech.

Re: X users are unable to post “Signal.me” links

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Post by SiliconSplash »

bergen wrote: post #46
decimalenough wrote: post #4

Remember the Arab Spring and how Twitter was hailed as a tool for the masses to fight against their oppressors? And remember how Elon bought Twitter, loudly proclaiming he was doing so to defend free speech? I'm mildly curious to see how X tries to justify this, but I suspect they've reached the stage where they don't even need to pretend to pay lip service to their notional values.

If your sycophants eat everything you'll throw at them there won't be any need for justification. Which completely baffles me. The US digital technology sector seems to be full of yes man and groupthink, and it's getting worse.

There is plenty of criticism of Elon Musk coming coming from both sides of the political spectrum. I am consider myself right of centre and I hear plenty of criticisms of Elon Musk coming from the right. The complaints are completely different though.

The big problem with any of these discussions (especially online) is that a lot of people are intellectually lazy and assume the other-side is comprised of brain dead zealots who only support the most extreme positions.

Re: X users are unable to post “Signal.me” links

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Post by buyucu »

sunaookami wrote: post #158
buyucu wrote: post #128

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twitter is not anyone. you would expect a company of this size with millions of users to have checks and tests.

Legit question: How would you test something like this? It's not like you can have automated tests with million of random links. And these URLs are certainly not hardcoded.

if you can't test it properly, then maybe you should not roll it out.

Re: X users are unable to post “Signal.me” links

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Post by BluSyn »

j-bos wrote: post #113

This comment section has turned into something of a circle, it's cool to be mad nd all, but there was a comment expressing doubt at the details, wonder about a reason other than those stated, and asking if anyone independently verified, as I clicked it the comment was flagged to oblivion. No opportunity to engage with that viewpoint.

Do all these commenters believe this nonsense? The conspiracy thinking has reached new peaks. Hard to take concerns of free speech seriously from people promoting platforms that routinely “moderate” any dissenting opinions (HN included).

Our ability for collective sense making seems to be permanently destroyed. Two people who seem to agree on everything point-by-point then reach different conclusions on the final step. Its bewildering.

Re: X users are unable to post “Signal.me” links

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Post by buyucu »

waonderer wrote: post #175
buyucu wrote: post #82

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Which platform provides the same network effect? Bsky? Mastodon? I don't see the popular Twitter personalities there such as naval, balajis, paulg, etc. or folks from TOPT, etc.

I have no idea who those people are.

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Post by bluebarbet »

Y_Y wrote: post #183
Tainnor wrote: post #156

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> The Arab spring was a populist uprising. It's not clear that there were actually positive outcomes Tunisia is now arguably better off, but even beyond that: the longterm effects of such things aren't always immediately apparent. The French Revolution led to terror, then to an Empire and devastating wars and finally back to the old monarchy, but it cast a very long shadow on the 19th century and beyond.

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This is gratuitously snarky and adds little to the discussion.

Re: X users are unable to post “Signal.me” links

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Post by atoav »

concordDance wrote: post #159
xzjis wrote: post #126

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"Freedom of speech" on Twitter is nothing more than Newspeak for censorship. In reality, the goal has always been to silence minorities who already struggle to express themselves, while allowing hate, racist, homophobic, and transphobic language to run rampant. It is a form of indirect censorship, through the self-censorship of minorities who fear speaking out. Then comes direct censorship, where certain terms or lin…

> In reality, the goal has always been to silence minorities who already struggle to express themselves This particular clause seens very unlikely. One could want an increase in racism and homophobia on a platform without specifically wanting there to be less black people (for example) speaking out. That the -isms cause said people to speak up less would likely be a (pleasant?) side effect rather than the primary goa…

It is very simple:

1. Inherited rich kids like Elon often have a strong feeling that they are better then the rest of humanity.

2. But it turns out if you are a leech on society like that sooner or later people stop accepting that (remember: he pays less in taxes and gains more in government subsides than most people)

3. So in order for people not to turn against you sooner or later you need to keep them split into subsections that are in conflict with each other. The more split they are, the more wealth you can extract.

That is the age old strategy of divide and conquer and if you ever wondered why your political system seemed to be split down the middle 50:50, that is your answer: people with money profit from it being so.

Re: X users are unable to post “Signal.me” links

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Post by red_trumpet »

M4v3R wrote: post #73
berkes wrote: post #48

I'm not defending Twitter or their policy in any way (disclaimer: I left Twitter the moment Elmo took over. I despise his hypocrisy and his fascist ideas) But this could be a "legitimate f-up". Normally, most of these unsafe-url protection and detection is automated in something with the scale of Twitter. Just like URL-shorteners often are (were?) "seemingly randomly" banned, because a portion of the shared urls are…

You might be onto something, I noticed that all the banned links were in the format: https://signal.me/#eu/fdy5h1miMifXa ... The URL hash (the part after #) is often not considered by automated systems to be a part of URL that's meaningful, because hash is normally only used for addressing parts of the website that was loaded based on the previous part of the URL. If a particular Signal.me link was flagged for whatev…

You can actually post links of the form https://signal.me/asdf. But https://signal.me/#asdf is blocked. That supports you point of view, I guess?

Re: X users are unable to post “Signal.me” links

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Post by pastage »

scarab92 wrote: post #209
dtj1123 wrote: post #203

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What exactly is it about that article that leads you to label it as politically biased? I see nothing but apparently factual information without any commentary.

It's existence. A couple journalists broke a social media platform's rule on doxxing, and were temporarily suspended for it. This wouldn't meet the standard for notability if it occurred on any other platform.

You can not make Wikipedia care about your pet idea without working on it yourself, so the absence of information on something is more an issue with you than with the people that edit Wikipedia.

It is impossible to argue against you because it is an opinion. First of all there is not one "Wikipedia", second of all as politicians usually say "I can not comment on specific cases". There is some truth in that saying, you can only talk about the policy and the policy continues to be "neutral point of view". Considering the horribly biased alternatives to Wikipedia that has sprung up, I would say that Wikipedia is probably the best NPOV you are going to get.

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