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Advertising Is a Cancer on Society (2019)

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Re: Advertising Is a Cancer on Society (2019)

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Post by coldtea »

GuB-42 wrote: post #151
oneeyedpigeon wrote: post #94

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Informing potential customers of products that might be useful to them. Isn't there an insurmountable conflict of interest when the person doing the informing is also the person who directly benefits from the product being 'useful' to as many people as possible?

Yes there is, but you have to tell someone you have something to sell at some point. Even if it goes through independent reviewers, the reviewer has to be reached somehow, that's still advertising. You are probably not going to find a job if you don't tell anyone you need a job, job hunting is also advertising.

>Yes there is, but you have to tell someone you have something to sell at some point

It's 2025. You could list it on your website, have it searchable in search engines, and aggregators for your product category, have independent and user review sites, and lots of other solutions that don't involve advertising.

I don't want anyone telling me they have something to sell I didn't ask them to tell me, and when I wasn't looking for such products actively (i.e. not because I searched somewhere else for a similar product).

>Even if it goes through independent reviewers, the reviewer has to be reached somehow, that's still advertising

No, it's not, unless the reviewer is paid or gets benefits for making your product look good.

And a great difference with "independent reviewers" is I can go to them (watch their videos, read their blog, go to their website, or whatever).

Advertising, on the other hand, cames to me. And increasingly I can't even skip it or get rid of it.

They also take the form of a review. Not a praise, or a video/image unrelated to the product, trying to sell it to me via sex, cool imagery, etc.

Re: Advertising Is a Cancer on Society (2019)

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Post by cess11 »

robertlagrant wrote: post #247
cess11 wrote: post #229

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It does not need to be silent, only factual in the same sense it is in product information on the packaging and so on. Advertising as contrasted to information is deceitful, manipulative. It's what happens when two brands use the same factory but make people think one product is boring and for poor people and the other one is for sexy, richer people. The proliferation of this kind of mass communication comes from the…

No, advertising is not an alternative to information. Advertising can be purely factual.

For the purpose of this conversation, no. There's a world of difference between you selling a bike or 'advertising' your availability for employment, and the corporate mass communication we're discussing here.

Unless you have a good reason to confuse these many meanings of the word, maybe you shouldn't?

Re: Advertising Is a Cancer on Society (2019)

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Post by cess11 »

robertlagrant wrote: post #246
cess11 wrote: post #226

Earlier quoted context omitted.

A corporation is a separate entity from those people. Usually it's legally regarded as a person, but fictional instead of physical. Hence the limitations in how you can make people answer for debts and actions that belong to the corporation.

Sorry, I'm struggling to link what you're saying to the topic.

You asked me a question, I proposed an answer to it. If I failed to express myself clearly enough, please try to explain in more detail where I did so.

Re: Advertising Is a Cancer on Society (2019)

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Post by t0bia_s »

neom wrote: post #133
t0bia_s wrote: post #120

Advertising of product is proof that product itself is not good enough to be sold. Good thing is, that you can block it at home. Bad thing is, that if you avoid commercial advertising, you are struggle with income as freelance audiovisual producer.

I'm curious how that is true? Advertising is generally a competitive move in a marketing playbook of a GTM motion.

Do you buy products that has quality and you need it or because some advertisement says it?

Re: Advertising Is a Cancer on Society (2019)

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Post by robertlagrant »

cess11 wrote: post #253
robertlagrant wrote: post #246

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Sorry, I'm struggling to link what you're saying to the topic.

You asked me a question, I proposed an answer to it. If I failed to express myself clearly enough, please try to explain in more detail where I did so.

I don't see how it links to the topic. For example, is your answer to this question "yes" or "no"?

> Should a group of people not be able to speak because a group of people is not a person?

Re: Advertising Is a Cancer on Society (2019)

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Post by robertlagrant »

cess11 wrote: post #252
robertlagrant wrote: post #247

Earlier quoted context omitted.

No, advertising is not an alternative to information. Advertising can be purely factual.

For the purpose of this conversation, no. There's a world of difference between you selling a bike or 'advertising' your availability for employment, and the corporate mass communication we're discussing here. Unless you have a good reason to confuse these many meanings of the word, maybe you shouldn't?

> Advertising as contrasted to information is deceitful, manipulative

This is what is confusing the many meanings of the word. There's no point doing terminology redefinition and then saying "See? Thing bad!" That's not the purpose of this conversation; that's just what you tried to do in an individual comment.

Re: Advertising Is a Cancer on Society (2019)

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Post by [deleted] »

cess11 wrote: post #229
robertlagrant wrote: post #205

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I think because you're separate people it's hard to know quite what to reply to, but I don't really understand the idea that a corporation should not be allowed to speak. I'm not speaking specifically about the US, so I don't have particular large biases for or against Supreme Court decisions. I'm more talking practically - what does it mean for a corporation to be silent? A corporation is already held to a higher st…

It does not need to be silent, only factual in the same sense it is in product information on the packaging and so on. Advertising as contrasted to information is deceitful, manipulative. It's what happens when two brands use the same factory but make people think one product is boring and for poor people and the other one is for sexy, richer people. The proliferation of this kind of mass communication comes from the…

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Re: Advertising Is a Cancer on Society (2019)

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Post by cess11 »

robertlagrant wrote: post #255
cess11 wrote: post #253

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You asked me a question, I proposed an answer to it. If I failed to express myself clearly enough, please try to explain in more detail where I did so.

I don't see how it links to the topic. For example, is your answer to this question "yes" or "no"? > Should a group of people not be able to speak because a group of people is not a person?

I don't see the relevance. This isn't about people, it's about corporations.

Re: Advertising Is a Cancer on Society (2019)

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Post by cess11 »

robertlagrant wrote: post #256
cess11 wrote: post #252

Earlier quoted context omitted.

For the purpose of this conversation, no. There's a world of difference between you selling a bike or 'advertising' your availability for employment, and the corporate mass communication we're discussing here. Unless you have a good reason to confuse these many meanings of the word, maybe you shouldn't?

> Advertising as contrasted to information is deceitful, manipulative This is what is confusing the many meanings of the word. There's no point doing terminology redefinition and then saying "See? Thing bad!" That's not the purpose of this conversation; that's just what you tried to do in an individual comment.

If constraints and precision make you confused, maybe that's a you problem. I'm not a member of the religion which stipulates that states can create people without bodies, if you are, good for you perhaps but I'd prefer you became an apostate temporarily to make it easier to converse on this topic.
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