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I'm afraid a lot of the tech is either necessary by law or necessary to get a decent safety rating these days, so you can't make the simple cars from yesteryear. Now, screens aren't required by law or safety ratings, but there's no getting around having a lot of software in there, and thus a screen to configure all that stuff.
Reversing cameras are required by law and they need a screen.
To buy a Tesla Model 3, only to end up in hell
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This seems like you're trying to say that you'll leave if you continue seeing things you don't agree with. That's 100% allowed, i'd personally encourage it, if you find yourself in a place you don't enjoy, stop going to that place. That's a mature response to a self-imposed stressful environment.
Sure, I agree with you, it just depends on what you want HN to be. I am an outsider to the US, I see your country as deeply divided. Families torn apart because of how they vote. Unthinkable here, probably unthinkable over there up until 10 years ago. In fact it seems more and more likely the US will erupt in a civil war, and split in 2. It just such a shame that HN, what I see as a gathering ground of intelligent pe…
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I think it is unnecessary to say "Putting aside the ethics". This is a very personal thing, for you it would (presumably) take putting aside your ethics, and maybe it would for me. But that is not the case for everyone. I for one don't like it when people online, with every statement, signal their personal ethics. It gets to be very tiresome and degrades my HN experience. Actually it is degrading my whole internet br…
Actually I'm curious if there is some kind of representative poll among Tesla owners about whether their personal ethics still align with the company's (or rather, its owner's) ethics. I mean, this is the guy who as recently as 2017 quit as an advisor for the first Trump administration because of Trump exiting the Paris climate agreement ( https://money.cnn.com/2017/06/01/news/elon-musk-resigns-trum... ). Now I'm not…
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It feels a bit counterintuitive to go for a Bluetooth speaker over 3.5mm? Your low tech car will feel like a emotional prison. Of all the annoying modernities you want the worst one? If you want to make a deal with the devil I would choose rear camera. Think about it. All the headache and time to pair Bluetooth devices over a dead simple connector. I would aim for a pre 2016 car. I think that has some margin to the I…
I would prefer 3.5mm over Bluetooth, but keep in mind most people get their music off their phones and (almost?) no modern phones have headphone jacks. Dongles are a thing, but meh. Additionally, modern Bluetooth devices have very little friction in my experience.
A USB to jack left fixed in the car is not much of an imposition. Even less so if it can be combined with a 12V adapter for charging.
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> Teslas, in principle, are great cars. What principle? Aside from mouth gaping nerdy admiration early on ("oh EV! oh, sportcars! Oh, it can ~kill y~ drive itself! Oh, shiny panels"), they'd been nothing but trouble for a decade now. And let's not get started on the Cybertruck either.
I agree with the sentiment that they are really terrible cars in general, but they seem to have cracked the EV efficiency riddle, almost no one else can come close to their miles/kWh numbers in real life usage. I don't know how they do it, but it's just consistently at the top of the league among EVs.
It's pretty easy to replicate by other manufacturers, but aerodynamics is just one factor in a large number of tradeoffs made by a manufacturer when designing a car.
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"Modern cars seem to be absolutely terrible.” Agree. OP should have just bought a 10yo Corolla.
They just don’t die. My 16 year old one seemed end of life 10 years ago and when I holed the sump, I was resigned to getting it wrecked. After driving it for a few months it didn’t die so I took it to a mechanic. I got told off for my dry sump technique and told not to do it again. It got a new pan and some oil, that was it. It’s done 5 or so years of light service since. It’s been stolen, carried masses of firewood,…
To your defence it is kinda hard to know what problems are simple problems.
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#258I stoped reading when the writer admitted, that he bought a Tesla in a country without official dealership. Common sense tells me not to do this. That’s the situation when EU consumer laws start failing. That’s very brave, but not clever move at all!!! Having service center 300 miles away is too far. It’s not lot of statistics, but I know cases where guys needed replacement parts before new other brand car reached 50…
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#259> On Sunday December 1, when I got home, I tried to update the Operating System again. No luck. Same problem again, the download hung halfway. This is a common problem. I also have a severe dislike of the Tesla updating process. I have the feeling that it's made for people who have a garage with 24/7 wifi. Without that, you're out of luck. In Okt and Dec of last year I have spent 4 hours per month on updating. This i…
> I also have a severe dislike of the Tesla updating process. There being an "updating process" is already a huge red flag for a car.
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Personally I draw the line somewhere before not funding someone who does nazi salutes. But you do you.
Again an opinion , Musk said it was not a Nazi salute, he didn't repeat it, he has many Jewish supporters also saying it wasn't. Just stop, please, I'm really about to give up on the comment sections here.
Don't like Elon’s politics? Thats reasonable.
Don’t like his approach to business? That’s reasonable.
Oddly twist everything to paint an evil supervillain?
Oddly extend that “evil” to others who fail to condemn him the same way?
Oddly spend hours and hours online arguing with people about Elon with others?
That’s not normal nor indicative of a healthy psychology.