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Re: Fair Pricing

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Post by carlosjobim »

bandrami wrote: post #161
ogrisel wrote: post #117

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Similarly, for paywalled news/journals.

Fifteen years ago people were talking about micropayments per article for news services being just around the corner. What ever happened to that?

A ton of newspapers actually tried micropayments (something like 50c per article). Almost nobody was interested, consumers do not want micropayments.

I believe instead that the future for textual content is mass syndication, just like it worked out for video content and audio content.

Re: Fair Pricing

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Post by klabb3 »

percevalve wrote: post #217

I haven’t seen this mentioned in the conversation yet, so I’ll bring it up here. A research paper from a few years ago introduced the concept of “customer inertia.” It found that users tend to overestimate their difficulty in unsubscribing from a service. In other words, when a subscription includes auto-renewal (or a similar feature), a significant portion of potential users will choose not to subscribe because they…

Yeah such are race to the bottoms. Because some assholes did turn cancelation into a Kafkaesque nightmare, now people don't want to subscribe in the first place. Who could have seen that coming? Genius MBA logic. And now honest businesses are in the shitter for it.

Re: Fair Pricing

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Post by ImHereToVote »

throwaway290 wrote: post #224
ImHereToVote wrote: post #121

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yandex is a godsend to get information behind the silicon curtain.

Google too. Unless you mean specificslly Russian sites in Russian. But those are not going to be available for long since Runet is slowly separating and VPN is now as illegal as in China

No, even content hosted on YouTube. Some videos are almost impossible to search for even if they are linkable via YouTube. For instance, it's almost impossible to find the video of MSNBC hosts saying they will vote for Trump if Sanders becomes the Dem candidate. First result in Yandex. Both are vehicles for state propaganda obviously.

Re: Fair Pricing

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Post by nashashmi »

Will Kagi survive in a world where realtime pressures to conform to censorship and link promotion can destroy search experiences?

I mean this is great. But how are they resisting the global trend to be an advertising influenced portal? How are they not adapting?

Re: Fair Pricing

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Post by carlosjobim »

pfix wrote: post #128
ant6n wrote: post #120

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I dunno. The thing is, Kagi isn’t really that much better than Google. When they still had a free tier, I tried it every once in a while, and it quickly wastes a lot of searches even while just entering queries, and then the chance to find something better than Google is mediocre. Perhaps a prepaid model might make more sense, especially if it’s designed not to blow through queries quickly and transparent about how m…

From kagi.com: > No ads. No tracking. No compromise. Just deep, powerful search. So you are not paying for better search but for no tracking and no ads. If you don't care about those, you're not kagi target audience.

Kagi is entirely dependent on giving the best search. Without it they would lose pretty much all customers.

"Privacy minded" customers is not a foundation for a business. They spend all their time complaining and accusing, and then after some time they cancel their subscription because spending $10 per month keeps them awake all night.

Re: Fair Pricing

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Post by bayindirh »

fastball wrote: post #244
bayindirh wrote: post #44

Earlier quoted context omitted.

People can leave their computers behind for vacations and try to not use their devices during said vacations or small sabbaticals, you know. Also, not all people use Kagi for their "search engine" per se. It also has other AI related services, so they might not need a GPU powered parrot every day, sometimes for longer periods.

The comment I was replying to suggested an FTC "mandate". I think its great if Kagi proactively chooses to do this themselves. I think it bad if you force companies to do this.

I don't know. Maybe we shouldn't live in a world which puts profits and companies over people and a qualitatively better world.

Hard questions.

Re: Fair Pricing

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Post by rsynnott »

AiAi wrote: post #246
rsynnott wrote: post #223

> Introducing Fair Pricing This is _really_ weird marketing, in that it implies that previously the pricing was _unfair_. That's not an idea you generally want to put in your customers' heads.

I guess... Still a positive thing that they are trying to make their product/service more "fair", and are progressing in a good direction?

Yeah, I mean it's a positive move, I suppose (though, if this is a _common_ thing, then they have other problems, because clearly the people involved aren't using it as a search engine), but it's a strange way to market it.

Re: Fair Pricing

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Post by vinhcognito »

pietz wrote: post #241
ajdude wrote: post #86

Unfortunately, I will never be able to take advantage of this policy, For the very reason that I have kagi Set as my exclusive search engine on every single device that I own, And there's no way that I could go even a Day, let alone a month, without using this fantastic service. Keep up the good work guys!

It's so crazy to me to hear these super positive opinions. I gave kagi a shot for several months but the results were quite a bit worse than Google or DuckDuckGo. Maybe it's because I live in Germany and kagi doesn't do well with German content but I never understood the hype of kagi.

I honestly can't imagine Kagi being worse than Google. At minimum, Kagi lets me derank and ban domains I don't like.

Re: Fair Pricing

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Post by s_dev »

id00 wrote: post #163
s_dev wrote: post #138

I will sign back up for a paid service when funding Russian search engine Yandex is dropped. Many like to forget there is a war.

That's definitely an interesting hill to die on. I can say as a paid Kagi user and regular donator to ВСУ

I'm not dying on any hill. I will sign back up for a €20 euro a month niche search engine when either the war ends or Kagi remove Yandex from their funding list.

Re: Fair Pricing

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Post by m-schuetz »

layer8 wrote: post #206
m-schuetz wrote: post #167

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I found it way better simply because you can blacklist garbage SEO'd sites.

There are also browser extensions like uBlacklist that can be used to do this on Google search results.

I'm not keen on browser extensions. If it does not work without extension, it does not work.
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