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Apple will soon receive 'made in America' chips from TSMC's Arizona fab

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Post by cbozeman »

someperson wrote: post #159
kureikain wrote: post #149

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it's first step. you gotta do something to bootstrap, solve chicken-egg problem. From what I can see around me, the "made in america" is a no joke branding. a lot of pppl going tobuyjust because of that. and may even consider it as social status and their policial support.

The Purism Librem 5 phone is very expensive and unfortunately not that popular. Haven't met anyone who uses one yet

And it's also a pile of shit compared to an iPhone or a Galaxy S device.

There's your real issue right there. People are already paying $1199 for new phones. According to this article: https://www.vox.com/technology/2018/9/13/17851052/apple-ipho...

Another $100. That's a little over six years old now though, so bump it up to $200.

Would I pay $1399 for an American made iPhone with American made internals, as the article suggests it would cost ($100, but I doubled it for inflation, because, why not?)? You bet your sweet ass I would.

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Post by addcommitpush »

whatever1 wrote: post #163
elzbardico wrote: post #83

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Because is fucking undproductive, useless and detrimental to society. Advertising is a cancer, an immoral activity.

Setting aside the moral aspect which is highly subjective and seems to have a price tag (for example tech CEOs quit any sort of morals for a good paycheck), the productivity question is a measurable one. Aka does advertising as a whole increase total consumption or is it a zero sum game (aka send bigger slice of the same pie to a competitor) From what I know advertising does increase total demand aka more things/serv…

Is increasing total consumption something positive?

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Post by layer8 »

tester756 wrote: post #205
pythonguython wrote: post #153

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I can’t relate to that. When I see a banner ad I find it obtrusive whether it’s from Bank of America or my favorite HAM radio company. If I’m in the market for a product I value hearing the testimonials of people in my life rather than an advertisement.

I'm mostly thinking about finding things that you werent even aware that they do exist

I’m trying to think of anything I find useful that I stumbled upon thanks to ads over the past twenty years or so, and I’m pretty much drawing a blank. It certainly seems negligible.

The problem with prohibiting ads is how to prevent (or even define) payed hidden promotions. But tracking and targeted ads could be prohibited, which would already make things much more civil and less relevant as a tech profit center.

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Post by jocaal »

nine_k wrote: post #41
School-Cotton wrote: post #24

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To ship things to/from these fabs by sea you have to add the cost of shipping by truck between Phoenix and (presumably) LA. Not sure how big of a difference that makes.

Chips are small, so one truck once a few days may suffice.

Imagine the insurance...

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Post by mywittyname »

throwaway-blaze wrote: post #202
whatwhaaaaat wrote: post #142

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The scenario that we’re going to be able to fight a war with another first world power, where we will attack their infrastructure but ours will be left untouched, seems unlikely.

China invading Taiwan seems a ton more likely than China lobbing missiles into Arizona.

It seems likely enough if the situation escalates. The conflict could be anything from a naval skirmish where neither side attacks the other's mainland to a total war scenario. It will likely start as naval-only and become gradually more involved if no side backs down.

However, it's safe to assume cyber attacks will hit Arizona. It's not unreasonable to assume crazy people will attack critical infrastructure, and we'll have to deal with the social fallout from that.

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duskwuff wrote: post #231
d3nj4l wrote: post #171

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AIUI almost all salaried employees are exempt from overtime pay in the US.

This is only accurate inasmuch as most salaried employees are overtime exempt for other reasons (e.g. because they are executive or administrative professionals). Paying employees a salary, on its own, does not make them overtime exempt. https://www.dol.gov/agencies/whd/fact-sheets/17a-overtime

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Post by Tade0 »

LittleTimothy wrote: post #199
pjc50 wrote: post #182

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If it's so unproductive why does it pay so well?

I think about this quite often. What I'd really like to study at some point is: How much more does the receptionist at JP Morgan's head quarters make than the receptionist at Walmart's headquarters? Because fundamentally I think there is an effect where the people in proximity to lots of money earn more. Obviously the Walmart receptionist and the JP Morgan receptionist are doing basically the same job. But the JP Mor…

Experienced this(or actually, a similar phenomenon) myself during the brief, beautiful moment in my life when I was working in Switzerland and was making as much as the locals, while hailing from a country with approximately 20% the GDP per capita, if not less.

Crazy how the same box of pasta is suddenly three times the price once you cross the border.

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Post by thehappypm »

enragedcacti wrote: post #245
MisterTea wrote: post #229

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I was about to say, surly at some point in the near future the USA will introduce this capability. Shame they did not match each other in completion time.

Yeah definitely unfortunate. That said, I'm guessing the overall cost of overseas packaging is really tiny, otherwise Intel would've made a great customer since they are already packaging TSMC N6, N5, and N3 in New Mexico for their Arrow Lake CPUs.

It basically rounds down to $0 if you’re willing for it to be slow. A single shipping container can fit millions of chips

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Post by thinkingtoilet »

programmertote wrote: post #185
digdigdag wrote: post #35

- Over 50% of the workers flew in from Taiwan to work on this plant and make these chips. - The chips still need to fly back to Taiwan to be packaged as there are no facilities here with such a capability. Made in america is a hard sell. But at least showing the glaring STEM field gap in the U.S. is a start to finally addressing the brain drain.

The 'brain drain' (as you refer to it) stems from intelligent/motivated grads in the US for the last two decades (at least) pursuing more lucrative fields like finance and adtech (re: Google, Facebook). Or some pursue management route (attending big MBA schools and switching to management roles where they climb corporate ladder). In other words, there are not a lot of college/grad students who want to pursue traditio…

It's not even brain drain, America's dominance came from the fact that for nearly a century the brightest people in the world were willing to give up everything to come here. That is no longer the case. Today's Einstein probably isn't going to immigrate here.

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Post by whimsicalism »

hintymad wrote: post #220
rkagerer wrote: post #63

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...just seem more willing to do it That's why manufacturing offshored in the first place, companies feel they're receiving better value for money on wages elsewhere for this kind of work (and these days not to mention more & larger facilities, proximity to component sources, and a strong ecosystem of supporting and complimentary facilities).

Personally I won't mind paying more to buy manufactured goods. My mom told me that a pair of sneakers before the offshoring back in the late 80s usually cost more than $300 in today's dollars. Yes, it was expensive, but I would just buy fewer and use the one for longer time. The reason is that in the long run the manufacturing cost would get lower due to increased efficiency, and loss of supply chain is detrimental t…

it’s mostly just baumol cost disease.

you can feel free to buy american, i don’t care so i would prefer if it were not mandated and you get your individual choice to pay more for your goods if you want

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