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Post by saagarjha »

cyberax wrote: post #190
jazzyjackson wrote: post #124

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I guess by 'well designed cities' you mean 'cities with copious amounts of parking' For certain high frequency routes in Chicago, I never minded sitting on the bus to get across town. At least once I got off I didn't have to find a parking spot. Now wasting life waiting for a bus is another story.

> I guess by 'well designed cities' you mean 'cities with copious amounts of parking' Yup. Wide roads, plenty of parking, distributed industry and office space, low density.

"Low density" just means that the entire area is covered in asphalt. That's not what well designed looks like.

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taatof wrote: post #144
milch wrote: post #90

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Because police can't physically be in every intersection at once, and there's research that shows that removing parking around intersections reduces pedestrian fatalities. They could add cameras, but I bet you that people would fight tooth and nail against that as well... not being able to park within 20ft of an intersection doesn't cause any privacy issues, or funnel money into the city councilman's cousin's company…

> Because police can't physically be in every intersection at once Can we compromise at some number greater than 0? I've lived here for more than a decade and don't remember seeing anyone getting pulled over by SFPD.

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Post by saagarjha »

bubblethink wrote: post #103
bufferoverflow wrote: post #99

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SF has public transport. Here's the map: https://www.iliveinthebayarea.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/12...

Yes, obviously every city has public transport. It is not a usable system like NYC. The recent central subway debacle stands as a testament to that.

SF public transportation is plenty usable. I hardly ever take my car to the city anymore; it's just not worth it. Sure, it's no NYC, but it's definitely the best public transit in California and probably top-quartile in the US.

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Post by oliwarner »

maxwellg wrote: post #11

I'm incredibly hopeful that NYC congestion pricing pays off in a big way - and that we start to see it in other cities across America. I really, really want congestion pricing in downtown SF. During rush hour, cars block the box and slow down busses, with cascading effects.

Every penny has to go back into affordable, subsidised alternatives or you're just fencing off Manhattan for the super rich.

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Post by saagarjha »

cyberax wrote: post #107
maxwellg wrote: post #11

I'm incredibly hopeful that NYC congestion pricing pays off in a big way - and that we start to see it in other cities across America. I really, really want congestion pricing in downtown SF. During rush hour, cars block the box and slow down busses, with cascading effects.

> During rush hour, cars block the box and slow down busses, with cascading effects. Then stop digging deeper and improve the car infrastructure instead of sabotaging it.

So they can block more busses?

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Post by paulgb »

Analemma_ wrote: post #214
donmcronald wrote: post #203

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> I can’t help but feel like it’s a regressive tax That’s exactly what it is. The richer you are, the better it is. Now people on a budget will pay taxes to subsidize infrastructure that’s only accessible to the wealthy. It’s a massive scam perpetrated by the rich for the rich. Why stop with roads? Why not have congestion pricing for schools or hospitals or access to water? That way we only have to build enough infra…

> Now people on a budget will pay taxes to subsidize infrastructure that’s only accessible to the wealthy. It’s a massive scam perpetrated by the rich for the rich. Huh? The revenue from congestion pricing is used to pay for public transit. The rich people pay extra to subsidize transit for everyone else, which is exactly how things should work.

There’s a progressive aspect to drivers (higher income on average) subsidizing transit, but I worry that framing leads to drivers feeling they are paying for something that other people use.

I prefer the framing that drivers should fund transit because drivers do use transit: NYC would be complete gridlock if transit went into a death spiral and straphangers switched to cars. Even if they never set foot on the MTA, drivers see a lot of the benefit of it existing.

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Post by jjav »

maxwellg wrote: post #11

I'm incredibly hopeful that NYC congestion pricing pays off in a big way - and that we start to see it in other cities across America. I really, really want congestion pricing in downtown SF. During rush hour, cars block the box and slow down busses, with cascading effects.

> congestion pricing pays off in a big way

Define "pays off". Who benefits, who suffers?

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Post by Symbiote »

deanc wrote: post #245
Symbiote wrote: post #243

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Why would there be a change in London within the last 10 years? Congestion charging was introduced in 2003.

ULEZ was introduced for a start.

That affects pollution, but very few vehicles were not compliant so it would have minimal effect on congestion.

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Post by em500 »

walthamstow wrote: post #240
thenoblesunfish wrote: post #224

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Correct. You're acting like your statement refutes the point, though. Charging for things which are publicly shared is regressive.

If you're looking for non-regressive ways to share scarce resources, you're going to struggle. In Tehran, for example, only license plates ending with an odd number can drive on Mondays, even numbers on Tuesdays.

I've seen such policies in other countries. What typically happens is that the well off buy 2 cars, one with odd and one with even license number.

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Post by walterbell »

oliwarner wrote: post #254
maxwellg wrote: post #11

I'm incredibly hopeful that NYC congestion pricing pays off in a big way - and that we start to see it in other cities across America. I really, really want congestion pricing in downtown SF. During rush hour, cars block the box and slow down busses, with cascading effects.

Every penny has to go back into affordable, subsidised alternatives or you're just fencing off Manhattan for the super rich.

There should be a daily quota on rideshare cars operating in Manhattan. They are a significant percentage of traffic, often with zero passengers.
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