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Why Canada Should Join the EU

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Re: Why Canada Should Join the EU

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Post by dr_dshiv »

ThrowawayTestr wrote: post #215
titanomachy wrote: post #175

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You're right. I don't live in Canada anymore, but even my moderate and liberal friends in Canada regularly complain about immigrants. That sentiment feels very new to me, though. I think Canada did have a positive view of immigrants for a long time.

That's because those immigrants came here because they wanted to be Canadians. These new immigrants have no desire to integrate.

Idk the Amish are pretty chill for not integrating. And if immigrants come and integrate into existing gang culture, would you actually be happy?

I think it is ok to just say “we don’t want poor immigrants. We want immigrants with something to offer.”

Re: Why Canada Should Join the EU

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Post by poncho_romero »

mainframed wrote: post #237
guywithahat wrote: post #190

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I mean racism isn't directly associated with support or opposition for immigration. You can be opposed to all immigration, even support remigration, and not be racist

Remigration [...] is a [...] political concept referring to the forced or promoted return of non-ethnically European immigrants, often including their descendants who were born in Europe, back to their place of racial origin, typically with no regard for their citizenship [^1] Sounds pretty racist to me. Maybe you can be clearer on what you mean by non-racist remigration? The far-right groups, which are, at least in…

People want temporary foreign workers--who immigrated here in unprecedented numbers in recent years--to leave the country, not anyone who has darker skin. No no brought up remigration.

Re: Why Canada Should Join the EU

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Post by titanomachy »

lucb1e wrote: post #228
buzzert wrote: post #144

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With respect to your lived experiences, as a fan of the US I would just like to say that it is a country of 330m+ whose physical presence spans a majority of a major continent, so I would encourage you not to generalize us based on what you saw in Columbus. That would be like me visiting Paris (a city I particularly did not enjoy) and generalizing all of Europe!

What of this is not true for the rest of the country then? I haven't visited at all but what the comment above you mentioned (basically the woes of limited social mobility, bad employment terms including tying healthcare to it if you're not rich, insane incarceration, etc.) is the kind of stats and stories I'm familiar with. The country does some things well also, as the commenter above also said, but it's not a plac…

> I haven't visited at all

> it's not a place [I] would recommend most people to live

Your recommendation (or lack thereof) carries little weight, then.

But to actually answer your question, there are many places in the US (urban, suburban, and rural) where fear of violent crime is not a major factor in the day-to-day life of most people. I don't know anyone who has been a victim of violent crime, and it does not feature prominently in conversations. In fact, the highly touristic areas in Europe seem to have more crime than anywhere I've personally been in the US, but I know better than to judge the entire continent by those outliers. I probably worry about as much about gang violence in south-side Chicago as you do about Romanian sex traffickers, or pickpockets in the 1st arrondissement of Paris.

Re: Why Canada Should Join the EU

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Post by jasode »

BJones12 wrote: post #8

> Europeans could learn from Canada how to allow immigration in a fashion that the population embraces rather than tolerates Clearly the author is ignorant. Canadians are sick of immigration. Young Canadians doubly so. Racism is becoming more acceptable by the day.

A reddit thread started by a woman working at a college in Toronto was on the front page of reddit 2 months ago. Commenters just piled on with more and more anecdotes. : https://old.reddit.com/r/canadian/comments/1g7a6eg/im_sick_o...

I binged watched a bunch of videos on Europe's various countries' backlash to immigration. An example was a Sweden reversal of attitude on immigration: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AmBOqfxPc90

Maybe the statistics in that video was cherry-picked and distorting reality. I haven't been to Sweden in 20 years to know the facts on the ground. Either way, the comments on that video are interesting.

I remember thinking 8 years ago that Trump's rhetoric of "build a wall" was insane. But now seeing the negative attitudes in every country that accepted a mass influx of immigration, it turns out he brilliantly tapped into a frustration that no other high-profile politician running for President was brave enough to say bluntly. It helped him win the election.

Re: Why Canada Should Join the EU

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Post by vitus »

PaulDavisThe1st wrote: post #153
sach1 wrote: post #104

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Canada directly borders France (St. Pierre et Miquelon) so if we ignore dragging in the geologists, that's as good an argument as any.

So that would also include Dominica, which is also directly bordering France (Martinique). The French and their globally disconnected departments ...

Are we also considering Brazil for EU membership, then, as the country with the longest land border with France?

(French Guiana is governed by EU regulations, after all...)

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Post by mrshadowgoose »

threeseed wrote: post #151
BJones12 wrote: post #8

> Europeans could learn from Canada how to allow immigration in a fashion that the population embraces rather than tolerates Clearly the author is ignorant. Canadians are sick of immigration. Young Canadians doubly so. Racism is becoming more acceptable by the day.

> Young Canadians doubly so Similar situation in Australia and US. And most of it misplaced. One major issue is trying to buy a first home where the blame goes towards immigrants. Instead of towards older generations where the problem really lies. They apply political power across multiple levels of government to affect everything from planning, taxation, inheritance which systemically prevent young people getting in…

Canadian high housing prices is certainly a multi-factor problem, but to say that the frustration with high immigration is "misplaced" is tremendously disingenuous.

Unless your claim is that "supply and demand" is somehow irrelevant, the immigration rate is a knob that can be dialed down to reduce the severity of the problem. It's one of the easiest knobs to adjust too.

That's why people are frustrated, and understandably so.

Re: Why Canada Should Join the EU

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Post by cmrdporcupine »

dr_dshiv wrote: post #251
ThrowawayTestr wrote: post #215

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That's because those immigrants came here because they wanted to be Canadians. These new immigrants have no desire to integrate.

Idk the Amish are pretty chill for not integrating. And if immigrants come and integrate into existing gang culture, would you actually be happy? I think it is ok to just say “we don’t want poor immigrants. We want immigrants with something to offer.”

We don't really let "poor" immigrants into Canada. The system here attempts to cherry-pick in people based on a whole points system, with "I have money to buy a house" and "I have a $$ profession" being being points contributors.

We actually have the opposite problem, to some degree. Acquiring more skilled talent from abroad has depressed skilled labour compensation here. And acquiring people from abroad with $$ to invest in the property market has led to ridiculously high housing price inflation.

Re: Why Canada Should Join the EU

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Post by poncho_romero »

threeseed wrote: post #223
buckle8017 wrote: post #206

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The single largest group of immigrants to Canada are Indians pretending to be temporary students. Five million of them.

So you're claiming that every temporary student will become a permanent immigrant. Be good to see a source for the mechanism behind this.

It doesn't matter today, does it? There are way too many of them. They don't integrate with the locals and they are taking jobs and housing away from young people. Nothing against them, it's not their fault, but we can't sustain anywhere near this number of Indian TFWs. Canada has been completely swamped.
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