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Tesla reports 1.1% sales drop for 2024, first annual decline in at least 9 years

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Re: Tesla reports 1.1% sales drop for 2024, first annual decline in at least 9 years

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Post by floxy »

GenerWork wrote: post #244
floxy wrote: post #128

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>I'd consider owning a very cheap small EV for my daily needs, but not at the prices they command today. Is that due to EV prices or car prices in general? I guess it depends on where you are and what price you pay for electricity. But I also think a lot of people haven't internalized the price inflation of new and used cars in the last 4 years. A second generation Leaf with less that 25k miles can be had for less th…

>should be eligible for a $4,000 used EV tax credit (if your income is under $150k): This is only true if you do a joint file. If you're a single filer, it phases out once your income is above $75k, or $112k for heads of household.

Yes, thanks for the correction.

Re: Tesla reports 1.1% sales drop for 2024, first annual decline in at least 9 years

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Post by stephen_g »

tw04 wrote: post #151
SoftTalker wrote: post #39

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I think it's more simply that the market of people who want an EV and can afford a Tesla is now saturated.

Perhaps if they had delivered a cheaper Tesla instead of a robotaxi that nobody asked for, won’t meet the needs of 90% of people wanting a taxi, and isn’t anywhere near ready to operate on public roads, the market would have expanded.

I mean, it's not even like they have "delivered" a robotaxi, they have announced it and done a very controlled demo, but things they have announced in the past (like the new Roadster) have just not materialised, and their promise of full unsupervised self driving "next year" for the last seven or so years is now infamous...

Re: Tesla reports 1.1% sales drop for 2024, first annual decline in at least 9 years

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Post by Scottn1 »

babyent wrote: post #35
avgDev wrote: post #16

It is only going to get worse for Tesla. Musk went all in extreme right-wing. Even though most "green" buyers are left leaning. I started disliking Musk after his pedo comments in regards to the cave rescuers. The smart/geeky/techy guy is a facade. I mainly would not consider Tesla because of Musk. The poor build quality just reinforces that stance.

Lucid Air is quite a nice car. My next EV will be a Lucid if I choose to start driving again.

Lucid is majority controlled by Saudi PIF.

https://eletric-vehicles.com/lucid/saudi-pif-now-controls-64...

Re: Tesla reports 1.1% sales drop for 2024, first annual decline in at least 9 years

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Post by paulddraper »

orwin wrote: post #219
paulddraper wrote: post #209

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> You have almost no far left in the US. Overton window. Obviously "left" vs "right" depends on the geography and time period. Otherwise, it becomes very hard to talk about politics.

Not really, historically far-left is the revolutionary left, the one you see organize global strikes (they don't believe in representation democracy, only in direct democracy, bottom up, so it is _very_ rare to see them participate in elections). Since global strikes are forbidden in the US, you'll have to define it by its negative: anti-capitalist and anti-imperialist always, anti-globalist sometime. You have some g…

So I can understand the distribution of this definition, what % of governments in world history have been far-left?

Re: Tesla reports 1.1% sales drop for 2024, first annual decline in at least 9 years

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Post by paulddraper »

light_hue_1 wrote: post #75
SoftTalker wrote: post #39

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I think it's more simply that the market of people who want an EV and can afford a Tesla is now saturated.

I don't think so. At least from my personal experiences I know of at least a dozen sales that 3 years ago they would have made hands now. People compromise and buy what are clearly worse cars to avoid the Tesla brand. A friend just brought an ioniq a few months ago, same friend who was salivating over our Tesla a few years ago and kept talking about buying one endlessly. Guess why they didn't buy one.. Heck. I'm one…

> It would be nice if Tesla was just a car company.

What is Tesla?

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Post by paulddraper »

light_hue_1 wrote: post #54
sidcool wrote: post #4

Why's there so much hate for Tesla here on HN?

Hated for Tesla isn't here on HN. It's out in the world. Back even 5 years ago the brand was crazy hot. Everyone loved it. People at work, driving around, students on campus would stop me to ask about it. There was nothing else you could drive that signaled you cared about the environment and wanted to do something about it. Now, the brand is completely toxic. People talk about it apologetically. No one is proud or h…

For "no one is proud or happy to see one" I sure see a lot of cybertrucks.

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Post by mu53 »

SoftTalker wrote: post #220
floxy wrote: post #160

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Charging efficiency is ~85% efficient. As far as I can tell, when it comes to used cars in my area, $10k is the new $4k. No way would I buy a $4k car any more, and I'm in the market for a beater for a kid's car. $4,000 buys a 2003 Toyota Corolla with 250,000 miles and 9 previous owners and some moderate damage according to CarFax.

You have to look around but better cars are out there. I bought a '04 Mercedes E500 for $4k about 2 years ago. Had about 160k miles, no rust. Was it perfect, certainly not. Had some wear and tear but fundamentally was a solid car. I still see them in this price range today. I totally get that someone might not want to deal with the unknowns and risks of a 20 year old car. Good to know that the charging efficiency is…

German cars tend to be cheap because maintenance costs are crazy. The have more parts, and each part is more expensive.

You could easily get hit with a mechanic bill for greater than the value

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Post by FireBeyond »

KerrAvon wrote: post #164
JumpCrisscross wrote: post #85

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> don't think Tesla can get rid of Musk They can't and they shouldn't. Tesla has a solid business. It just looks like it may have capped out its growth prospects in the U.S. and Europe. (In vehicles.)

Tesla is certainly a solid memestock. It’s hard to say whether they have a solid business. If they dumped Musk, the stock would crash and they would have to install competent governance instead of continuously gaming the system. But that would be a better outcome for consumers.

They have a solid business. It's just not the world-changing fantastic future that Musk talks a big game about. That's fine. But "solid business" is not what has manufactured Tesla's ridiculous market cap.

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Post by FireBeyond »

archagon wrote: post #195
bko wrote: post #68

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The upside of having an outspoken public figure at the head is that he's in charge and takes ownership. It's pretty wild that you can have some failure in your Tesla, and you can just tweet about it and if its a compelling issue you'll get the CEO to respond and address it directly. Imagine trying to get the attention of someone from Ford. I don't know if you can have it both ways. Either you're a faceless soulless c…

He can also disable your car remotely if you mess around with the innards too much. Or otherwise target you for harassment if you annoy him.

> He can also disable your car remotely if you mess around with the innards too much

And will.

Like if you poke around and find the existence of a new model car...

They'll remotely force downgrade your firmware, and remotely disable ports on your car so you can't upgrade it again.

> Or otherwise target you for harassment if you annoy him.

Or hold press conferences if you are in a fatal accident to make sure you get the blame, not whatever garbage happened to pass for Full Self Driving. And blatantly lie in the process. "The vehicle had been warning the driver about inattentiveness before the accident". No, Elon, the vehicle fired ONE "hand on steering wheel" warning, and it was EIGHTEEN MINUTES before the accident.

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Post by voganmother42 »

sidcool wrote: post #246
voganmother42 wrote: post #241

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Right, and people must like whats popular! Preferences are false and they simply have yet to succumb to the wisdom of your position!

This could be true of songs and movies. But cars are too expensive. And Teslas are bought not just by the rich but all across the economic spectrum. I can't relate to what you talk about here.

You cannot relate to describing someone’s subjective opinion as blatantly false?

Teslas may be bought across the spectrum, none of that is remotely relevant.

Tesla owners are often insufferable to listen to as they go on and on about their cars, like they make vegans seem a treat by comparison, that alone may dissuade people - I know it does for me.

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