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US judge finds NSO Group liable for hacking journalists via WhatsApp

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Post by o999 »

prpl wrote: post #137
tptacek wrote: post #115

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I mean, that’s true of most businesses and industries, big and small? The average person has no idea what Oracle or SAP exists, or that they are multibillion dollar companies. Most people don’t know you can just go buy plastic and composites at TAP, and all sorts of things at McMaster. Most people don’t even know who builds commercial vehicles besides like Peterbilt maybe. Is there an argument you are making that Met…

"Many criminals got away with their crimes so let them get away with it or you are accused of anti-Semitism"

"But what about Iran? Would you please get distracted by that?"

"But we warned them before with hack them/blow their houses to rubble"

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Post by MomsAVoxell »

zigilo wrote: post #238
MomsAVoxell wrote: post #221

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> the IDF would be happy to oblige Do you speak for the IDF? How is it then that you can also represent Hamas? > insist on staging that war entirely in civilian areas. Gaza is an open-air concentration camp which has suffered under Israeli military control for decades. Where else are they going to fight - specially constructed stadiums built for the purpose? Outside, in the no-mans land between Gaza and Israel? 2.1 m…

> Gaza is an open-air concentration camp Really? How many concentration camps have car dealers in them? e.g. Kia Motors Gaza https://g.co/kgs/pVeLh8E Maybe you should rethink your rhetoric.

Maybe you should re-think what it takes to violate human rights at massive scale while fooling the rest of the world into believing its not happening…

Re: US judge finds NSO Group liable for hacking journalists via WhatsApp

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Post by MomsAVoxell »

fastball wrote: post #231
MomsAVoxell wrote: post #221

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> the IDF would be happy to oblige Do you speak for the IDF? How is it then that you can also represent Hamas? > insist on staging that war entirely in civilian areas. Gaza is an open-air concentration camp which has suffered under Israeli military control for decades. Where else are they going to fight - specially constructed stadiums built for the purpose? Outside, in the no-mans land between Gaza and Israel? 2.1 m…

You keep conflating Hamas with Palestinians. It seems deliberate. I for one do not think they are the same thing, but if you do I'm not sure this conversation can go anywhere. I am also unsure why you think you should be able to speak to the motives of Hamas and Israel (and therefore assert the intent is genocide) while I cannot. As a side note, you argue like you are on Reddit. It might be helpful to review the site…

I don’t conflate Hamas with Palestinians at all, in fact I believe that it is those justifying the wanton murder of the Palestinian population by an oppressive military force who are doing exactly that.

But we know full well that duplicity has been weaponized in this conflict.

As for your ‘tone policing’, I’m not sure I can take your advice to heart given the position you take, of justifying the inhumane treatment of the Palestinian people. Provide evidence that this statement is true and then perhaps we can discuss your desire to manipulate my position to fit your rhetoric:

“But Hamas will not do that, because they want the destruction of Palestinian peoples more than Israel does.”

The only ones destroying the Palestinian people are the IDF.

Re: US judge finds NSO Group liable for hacking journalists via WhatsApp

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Post by justin66 »

dghlsakjg wrote: post #176
WatchDog wrote: post #162

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Do these firms target US citizens without a US warrant?

You don’t need a warrant to target US citizens unless you are the government.

On the other hand, if you “target” Americans and you’re not the American government, you’re committing a crime.

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Post by southernplaces7 »

eastbound wrote: post #107
kjkjadksj wrote: post #68

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People have to start assuming that any communication method in use is compromised. There’s just no way on earth orgs like the NSA would throw their hands up in the air and not find multiple different avenues into an app like signal. Its one of the most downloaded messaging apps. Investment into compromising it is very worth while. People should just assume everything involving a cell phone or computer is inherently i…

Password managers are such a high target that I wonder how we’ve convinced people to put all their passwords in the same software.

A great number of comments and posts on this site rave in favor of password managers and their use for "security" and convenience, despite what you say being such a very obvious flaw.

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Post by lupusreal »

oaththrowaway wrote: post #43
lupusreal wrote: post #38

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People do in fact get sent to prison for that, straw purchases are a federal felony. Not all of them actually get caught, which is true of any crime.

Except when the ATF does it, no big deal

Kind of like the CIA importing heroin and cocaine. The laws cover this scenario but we have a problem with especially poor enforcement when the crimes are committed by parts of the government.

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Post by tptacek »

justin66 wrote: post #254
dghlsakjg wrote: post #176

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You don’t need a warrant to target US citizens unless you are the government.

On the other hand, if you “target” Americans and you’re not the American government, you’re committing a crime.

Note here that we are describing firms that produce CNE tools, not organizations (lawfully constituted or otherwise) that actually use them. Production of exploits and implants is broadly legal everywhere in the world, including the US and Europe. The legality gets murky when you sell to non-governmental organizations (if prosecutors can demonstrate you knew the crimes that were to be committed with them), but most of the market appears to be governmental.

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Post by ilbeeper »

joebob42 wrote: post #160
ilbeeper wrote: post #45

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I didn't say if I think that drone killing is justified or not, since I have no opinion on that - I don't know enough to form an opinion. I only say that since the government have the right to send killing drone it doesn't make sense to raise pitchforks against phone hacking

I don't get what's happening in this thread. This is a pretty clear statement: hacking isn't worse than the killing that the government is already allowed to do. It's a pretty straightforward argument which for some reason seems to be being misunderstood. I'll gently push on the premise though: hacking isn't worse for the victims than death, obviously, but I think it's possible weaponizing of exploits does more total…

Thanks for the understanding. I'll say that because of that we should make the price for using the device much higher. For example using it should require authorization by process that will involve a stiff political price/barrier. Maybe a bi-partisan committee. Something of that sort.

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Post by dirtysanchez »

Melatonic wrote: post #218
eastbound wrote: post #107

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Password managers are such a high target that I wonder how we’ve convinced people to put all their passwords in the same software.

KeePass has been around for ages for free.... surprised cloud solutions are so popular

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Re: US judge finds NSO Group liable for hacking journalists via WhatsApp

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Post by dghlsakjg »

saagarjha wrote: post #207
dghlsakjg wrote: post #177

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Depends on your threats. I’m more worried about financial scams than I am anything related to government. Password managers with random passwords are an excellent guard against that threat. If I were worried about state actor threats, any keys or passwords would be memorized.

I'm not sure that would be a good idea. Do you, personally, want to be the weak link in the chain to something a nation state wants?

Whether I know the password, or I know how to access the password via a password manager, I am still the weak link.

The point is that a password manager is an additional weak link in the chain.

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