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Re: Grayjay Desktop App

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Post by madeofpalk »

apex_sloth wrote: post #231
lrvick wrote: post #205

I love the right to repair work Louis Rossmann does, and this project goal as a whole, but this license is a major step backwards for software distribution with high assurances of security, freedom and privacy. Debian, Arch, Guix, F-droid or any other independent signed reproducible build channels require a true Open Source license to function legally. The license thus forces users to download unsigned non-reproducib…

As I understand it, GrayJay is not free (as in they want to be paid, which is I think is reasonable). How does this work with something like AGPL? I'm curious to hear more, because I'm in the process of evaluating licenses for a software I'm planning to build and sell. For me it's important that users can feel safe with running my code and build it themselves - and keep using the software if I'm no longer around to m…

> as in they want to be paid, which is I think is reasonable

Considering the whole point of this app is to remove monetisation from YouTubers, I think this is completely unreasonable.

Re: Grayjay Desktop App

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Post by akdev1l »

apex_sloth wrote: post #231
lrvick wrote: post #205

I love the right to repair work Louis Rossmann does, and this project goal as a whole, but this license is a major step backwards for software distribution with high assurances of security, freedom and privacy. Debian, Arch, Guix, F-droid or any other independent signed reproducible build channels require a true Open Source license to function legally. The license thus forces users to download unsigned non-reproducib…

As I understand it, GrayJay is not free (as in they want to be paid, which is I think is reasonable). How does this work with something like AGPL? I'm curious to hear more, because I'm in the process of evaluating licenses for a software I'm planning to build and sell. For me it's important that users can feel safe with running my code and build it themselves - and keep using the software if I'm no longer around to m…

There’s literally nothing in any open source software license that stops the author from getting paid.

It is literally one of the fundamental freedoms mentioned by Richard Stallman. Freedom to sell the software.

AGPL just closes the cloud service loop where someone can take your code, modify it and deploy it and offer it as a cloud service. As they’re not technically “distributing” the modifications they wouldn’t be required to release their changes by regular GPL but they would by AGPL.

IANAL

Re: Grayjay Desktop App

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Post by augstein »

pxoe wrote: post #241

Does this app has any creator monetization in mind, or does 'your way' means 'fuck you, i'm not paying you for shit, i'm just taking it'? None of it is "your content", or their content, it's just someone else's content they're leeching on. "full ownership" - of what? literally just, what are their thoughts on that. do people deserve being paid? or don't? and if they don't and it's not worth paying for, how is it stil…

I pay for Youtube premium to not have to see ads and potentially be manipulated by them.

Yet I still have to watch a lot of ads there, since for a large chunk of content creators, the economic model of Youtube doesn’t seem to work and they additionally include inline ads.

Re: Grayjay Desktop App

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Post by saintfire »

madeofpalk wrote: post #251
apex_sloth wrote: post #231

Earlier quoted context omitted.

As I understand it, GrayJay is not free (as in they want to be paid, which is I think is reasonable). How does this work with something like AGPL? I'm curious to hear more, because I'm in the process of evaluating licenses for a software I'm planning to build and sell. For me it's important that users can feel safe with running my code and build it themselves - and keep using the software if I'm no longer around to m…

> as in they want to be paid, which is I think is reasonable Considering the whole point of this app is to remove monetisation from YouTubers, I think this is completely unreasonable.

Well that's not actually the point. It's heavily focused on preventing deplatforming creators.

There is much more to monetization than AdSense, which is adblocked away very frequently already. If it wasn't already removed by YouTube for saying something pg-14 or falsely copywright striked.

Re: Grayjay Desktop App

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Post by cxr »

pxoe wrote: post #241

Does this app has any creator monetization in mind, or does 'your way' means 'fuck you, i'm not paying you for shit, i'm just taking it'? None of it is "your content", or their content, it's just someone else's content they're leeching on. "full ownership" - of what? literally just, what are their thoughts on that. do people deserve being paid? or don't? and if they don't and it's not worth paying for, how is it stil…

There is way too much incoherence and righteous indignation in this comment for it to be the top thread here.

> "full ownership" - of what?

By a reasonable and charitable reading: full ownership over your legally-obtained copy of the material that folks (the creators/rightsholders themselves) are publishing for gratis online for anyone to watch, and likely some non-gratis stuff that you are paying these creators for if you are a subscriber and decide to enter your account details into the app.

This whole app looks to be a video player that works like an alternative frontend to the official players by e.g. YouTube, Twitch, and so on, in the vein of "unity of interface"[1] and a continuation of the spirit of the Miro player (see also: virtually every podcast app in existence).

You seem, bizarrely, to be responding to it like a new KaZaA or Popcorn Time or other torrent-backed something-or-other.

1. https://www-archive.mozilla.org/unity-of-interface>

Re: Grayjay Desktop App

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Post by quotemstr »

ThatMedicIsASpy wrote: post #221
bisby wrote: post #115

Launching the Linux release and noticed in the logs: Directories:User Directory: /home/bisby/Grayjay And there is a directory there now. I absolutely hate having stuff automatically create anything in my home directory like this. Ideally, this should be following XDG directory guidelines on linux: https://specifications.freedesktop.org/basedir-spec/latest/

I gave too many shits about my home dir once too.. My only correct way today is create your own home dir inside your home dir to combat this hell hole of never ending config junk in your home dir

It's a "green m&ms" thing. If the developers can't be bothered to adhere to something as basic as XDG, they're getting a ton of other things wrong, and my life is too short to spend on buggy slop.

Re: Grayjay Desktop App

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Post by emaro »

pxoe wrote: post #241

Does this app has any creator monetization in mind, or does 'your way' means 'fuck you, i'm not paying you for shit, i'm just taking it'? None of it is "your content", or their content, it's just someone else's content they're leeching on. "full ownership" - of what? literally just, what are their thoughts on that. do people deserve being paid? or don't? and if they don't and it's not worth paying for, how is it stil…

Grayjay allows you to view member (pay only) content if you log in with an account that has access. That allows creators to monetize their content.

I'm glad Grayjay includes an adblocker, I wouldn't use it otherwise.

Re: Grayjay Desktop App

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Post by cxr »

pxoe wrote: post #243
Liquix wrote: post #242

Earlier quoted context omitted.

creators deserve to be paid. viewers deserve to not be psychologically manipulated by advertisements and algorithms. insisting viewers "pay" by subjecting themselves to ads is an unethical business model; refusing to support the practice is a rational reaction.

"rational" as in, rationalizing the contradiction of "not paying" and "getting content anyway". just don't watch. don't support the practice entirely. it's not really as much of a stance as it is just a contrived way to excuse away getting the thing you simultaneously hate and crave. like, the content has already manipulated you even without you paying for it and refusing to pay for it, by making you do this little d…

> a contrived way to excuse away getting the thing you simultaneously hate and crave

> just don't watch

Is your position a value judgement on the morality of not watching ads + technology that enables you to watch as few as possible? Or on the societal fixation to consume junk?

If the former, please elaborate on your position as it relates to VCRs and DVRs of the sort that are built-in to DirecTV receivers.

Re: Grayjay Desktop App

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Post by pxoe »

cxr wrote: post #258
pxoe wrote: post #243

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"rational" as in, rationalizing the contradiction of "not paying" and "getting content anyway". just don't watch. don't support the practice entirely. it's not really as much of a stance as it is just a contrived way to excuse away getting the thing you simultaneously hate and crave. like, the content has already manipulated you even without you paying for it and refusing to pay for it, by making you do this little d…

> a contrived way to excuse away getting the thing you simultaneously hate and crave > just don't watch Is your position a value judgement on the morality of not watching ads + technology that enables you to watch as few as possible? Or on the societal fixation to consume junk? If the former, please elaborate on your position as it relates to VCRs and DVRs of the sort that are built-in to DirecTV receivers.

i just find the tension and contradictions of piracy kinda fascinating. "i hate this so much but i have to get it cause i apparently need it so badly". something being deserving to be obtained, yet not deserving to be paid for. and most of all, somebody feeling so entitled to it that they just can't actually refuse it completely.

Re: Grayjay Desktop App

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Post by koen31 »

bisby wrote: post #190
karlgkk wrote: post #188

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If you're launching it as "Portable", and you're launching it from your home directory, it's going to place the mutable data in the current directory. This is very standard for portable apps. So no, "portable" is not what you want. If you launch it as non-portable and it drops a folder in ~, then that is a problem.

In both modes it creates a ~/Grayjay directory, even when launching from ~/tmp/grayjay/Grayjay.Desktop-linux-x64-v2/ so ~/Grayjay was inevitable. In portable mode it makes the directory and does nothing with it. In non-portable mode it dumps a ton of data into the directory. I didn't pay attention to what the data actually was. So yes you're probably right. But either way, Portable mode isn't behaving portably becaus…

Grayjay dev here, empty dir is definitely not intended and has been written down on the issue list.
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