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Veo 2: Our video generation model

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Re: Veo 2: Our video generation model

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Post by alex_suzuki »

WickyNilliams wrote: post #221
dtquad wrote: post #211

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Instead of calling for regulations, the big tech companies should run big campaigns educating the public, especially boomers, that they no longer can trust images, videos, and audio on the Internet. Put paid articles and ads about this in local newspapers around the world so even the least online people gets educated about this.

Do we really want a world where we can't trust anything we see, hear, or read? Where people need to be educated to not trust their senses, the things we use to interpret reality and the world around us. I feel this kind of hypervigilance will be mentally exhausting, and not being able to trust your primary senses will have untold psychological effects

I wonder if we’ll eventually see people abandoning the digital reality in favor of real-life, physical interactions wherever possible.

I recently had an issue with my mobile service provider and I was insanely glad when I could interact with a friendly and competent shop clerk (I know I got lucky there) in a brick&mortar instead of a chatbot stuck in a loop.

Re: Veo 2: Our video generation model

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Post by [deleted] »

jnwatson wrote: post #238
ferguu_ wrote: post #225

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I hope they're right. If the technology improves to such a degree that meaningful content can be produced then it could spell global disaster for a number of reasons. Also I just don't want to live in a world where the things we watch just aren't real. I want to be able to trust what I see, and see the human-ness in it. I'm aware that these things can co-exist, but I'm also becoming increasingly aware that as long as…

That ship sailed shortly after the invention of photography. Photos were altered for political purposes during the US Civil War. Now, we have entire TV shows shot on green screen in virtual sets. Replacing all the actors is just the next logical step.

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Re: Veo 2: Our video generation model

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Post by jprete »

dtquad wrote: post #211
0xcb0 wrote: post #206

Imho is stunning, yet what is happening there is super dangerous. These videos will and may be too realistic. Our society is not prepared for this kind of reality "bending" media. These hyperrealistic videos will be the reason for hate and murder. Evil actors will use it to influence elections on a global scale. Create cults around virtual characters. Deny the rules of physics and human reason. And yet, there is no w…

Instead of calling for regulations, the big tech companies should run big campaigns educating the public, especially boomers, that they no longer can trust images, videos, and audio on the Internet. Put paid articles and ads about this in local newspapers around the world so even the least online people gets educated about this.

Don't forget text. You can't trust text either.

And no big tech company would run the ads you're suggesting, because they only make money when people use the systems that deliver the untrustworthy content.

Re: Veo 2: Our video generation model

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Post by WickyNilliams »

bsenftner wrote: post #243
WickyNilliams wrote: post #221

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Do we really want a world where we can't trust anything we see, hear, or read? Where people need to be educated to not trust their senses, the things we use to interpret reality and the world around us. I feel this kind of hypervigilance will be mentally exhausting, and not being able to trust your primary senses will have untold psychological effects

That is reality, that is nature. The natural world is filled with camouflaged animals and plants that prey on one another via their camouflage. This is evolution, and those unable to discriminate reality from fiction will be the causalities, as they always have since the dawn of life.

The naturalistic fallacy is weak at best, but this is one of the weirdest deployments of it I've encountered. It's not evolution, it's nothing like it.

If it's kill or be killed, we should do away with medicine right? Only the strong survive. Why are we saving the weak? Sorry but this argument is beyond silly

Re: Veo 2: Our video generation model

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Post by WickyNilliams »

xvector wrote: post #237
WickyNilliams wrote: post #221

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Do we really want a world where we can't trust anything we see, hear, or read? Where people need to be educated to not trust their senses, the things we use to interpret reality and the world around us. I feel this kind of hypervigilance will be mentally exhausting, and not being able to trust your primary senses will have untold psychological effects

That world is already here. Nothing you can do about it, might as well democratize access to the technology.

No it's not. We are not at the stage where reality is completely indistinguishable from fiction. We are still in the uncanny valley. Nothing is inevitable

Re: Veo 2: Our video generation model

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Post by ImHereToVote »

Kelteseth wrote: post #218
forgingahead wrote: post #165

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Off topic from the video AI thread, but to elaborate on your point: people believe what they want, based on what they have been primed to believe from mass media. This is mainly the normal TV and paper news, filtered through institutions like government proclamations, schools, and now supercharged by social media. This is why the "narrative" exists, and news media does the consensus messaging of what you should belie…

> and why they hate X and other freer media sources I left X precisely because it was flooded with Russian propaganda/misinformation.

Such as?

Re: Veo 2: Our video generation model

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Post by ImHereToVote »

WickyNilliams wrote: post #236
ImHereToVote wrote: post #233

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Maybe people should have some of those psychological effects. Maybe operation Timber Sycamore, that bears fruit in Syria right now wouldn't happen, if the population was less trusting of the shit they see on tv.

We have evolved to trust our senses as roughly representative of reality. I'm not convinced we are able to adapt to that kind of rapid shift. I have not heard of Timber Sycamore until this comment. A quick look at Wikipedia I'm struggling to see the relevance here. Can you elaborate?

Sure. No amount of perception will let you see the financing of Al-Quida or Al-Nusra soldiers. You can't perceive your way out of your blindness. You need to reflect.

Re: Veo 2: Our video generation model

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Post by WickyNilliams »

alex_suzuki wrote: post #251
WickyNilliams wrote: post #221

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Do we really want a world where we can't trust anything we see, hear, or read? Where people need to be educated to not trust their senses, the things we use to interpret reality and the world around us. I feel this kind of hypervigilance will be mentally exhausting, and not being able to trust your primary senses will have untold psychological effects

I wonder if we’ll eventually see people abandoning the digital reality in favor of real-life, physical interactions wherever possible. I recently had an issue with my mobile service provider and I was insanely glad when I could interact with a friendly and competent shop clerk (I know I got lucky there) in a brick&mortar instead of a chatbot stuck in a loop.

Yeah I think it's a real possibility that people will disconnect from the digital world. Though I fear the human touch will become a luxury only afforded by the wealthy. If it becomes a point of distinction, people will charge extra for it. While the rest are pleaing with a brainless chat bots

Re: Veo 2: Our video generation model

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Post by victorbjorklund »

simonw wrote: post #131

I got access to the preview, here's what it gave me for "A pelican riding a bicycle along a coastal path overlooking a harbor" - this video has all four versions shown: https://static.simonwillison.net/static/2024/pelicans-on-bic... Of the four two were a pelican riding a bicycle. One was a pelican just running along the road, one was a pelican perched on a stationary bicycle, and one had the pelican wearing a weird…

That is surprisingly good. We are at a point where it seems to be good enough for at least b-roll content replacing stock video clips.
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