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US lawmakers tell Apple, Google to be ready to remove TikTok from stores Jan. 19

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Post by zxcvbnm69 »

intended wrote: post #236
endgame wrote: post #199

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The problem with AU's U16 ban is that it's going to end up being a de facto real ID requirement for any Australian to communicate online. And also, how many of us on this site were able to learn and grow because they got online as teenagers and learned things? It would have been much, much better to regulate out the worst features of social media platforms for everyone than to pass a Bill that nobody knows how to imp…

The success rates for MOOCs is usually lower than 5%. MOOCs were the holy grail - free, Quality, any time, education. And it still had single digit pass rates. ———- The people who are self motivated to learn, are probably people who move entire fields forward. They are likely very happy while learning. It’s an important part of human survival and existence. We can and should optimize for it. We are going to waste ene…

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Re: US lawmakers tell Apple, Google to be ready to remove TikTok from stores Jan. 19

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Post by rmbyrro »

est wrote: post #112

Is it legally possible for Tiktok to provide a "takeout" function, and user uploads the data to a non-bytedance app that happens to work exact the same way as Tiktok do? If so, this whac-a-mole could go on for ever. Feds would practically establish an office dedicated for app approval

if their execs want to get arrested the moment they step out of China, sure

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Post by kelnos »

jussaying2 wrote: post #202
wiseowise wrote: post #186

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China soft invades minds of Western people under disguise of “freedom of speech”.

Well if that's the problem, then maybe address that, perhaps by teaching people critical thinking skills? But teaching people to ask critical questions risks unraveling the fabric of American capitalism ("Hey why is it that the government spends more on healthcare per capita than any other OECD country but with markedly worse outcomes?", "How can we call ourselves the greatest nation on Earth when we are simultaneous…

> Well if that's the problem, then maybe address that, perhaps by teaching people critical thinking skills?

We should do that, but reforming our education system will take years or decades. And in any event, any solution that requires everyone to learn or do something or act in a particular way is doomed to fail. Humans just don't work like that.

And even with robust critical thinking skills, people are still susceptible to psychological manipulation. That's never going to change.

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Post by frereubu »

eimrine wrote: post #230
OhioMan2943 wrote: post #167

This is one of the things in my lifetime that gives me the most optimism, alongisde the IRA Bill. as someone in Australia who strongly supports our recent U16 ban, I hope META gets removed/broken up for you guys soon after, at least for underage users. I'm 22 and often wish I had never been born into a world with social media, with the belief that it is one of the worst things we have ever made as a species. I know t…

> as someone in Australia who strongly supports our recent U16 ban Are you completely acknowledged about certain mechanisms doing that? I (not an Aussy) also support this but not via becoming the Government's slave.

How would you do it instead?

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Post by kelnos »

ternnoburn wrote: post #198
wiseowise wrote: post #186

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China soft invades minds of Western people under disguise of “freedom of speech”.

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Sure, but I am perfectly fine with my own nation refusing to let other nations propagandize toward my fellow citizens. Especially when that other nation is a totalitarian dictatorship.

Whether or not we do that to other countries, and whether or not that's ok, is a completely different discussion.

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Post by kelnos »

est wrote: post #149
seanmcdirmid wrote: post #139

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Both founders having grown up in communist block countries supposedly had something to do with their aversion. At least that’s what I heard (was working for MS china back then).

And the worst part of a Communism is "planned economy", e.g. the state decides which app/service is good or not.

The US banning a foreign-owned service from operating on its soil (when that foreign country bans many US-based services from operating on their soil) is not a "planned economy". Please don't use low-effort, bad-faith arguments.

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Post by jiehong »

wiseowise wrote: post #241
ternnoburn wrote: post #198

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Right. All nations have troll factories with hundred operators aimed to destabilize governments. https://www.nato.int/nato_static_fl2014/assets/pdf/2020/5/pd...

Three letters agencies

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Post by kelnos »

soheil wrote: post #121
gkanai wrote: post #100

Reciprocity is key. Google and Facebook and most Western web services are blocked in China. If that is the case, then there should be no complaint with blocking Bytedance/other Chinese apps in the West.

This is such a stupid argument. This is about censorship to American citizens and a conversation about losing their rights as an authoritarian state's victims.

No American will be censored if TikTok is banned. They will simply use (or go back to using) one of the many other non-TikTok alternatives to talk about the same things.

If TikTok were the only game in town, sure, banning it would be censorship. But that's not the case, by a long shot.

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Post by mupuff1234 »

endgame wrote: post #199
OhioMan2943 wrote: post #167

This is one of the things in my lifetime that gives me the most optimism, alongisde the IRA Bill. as someone in Australia who strongly supports our recent U16 ban, I hope META gets removed/broken up for you guys soon after, at least for underage users. I'm 22 and often wish I had never been born into a world with social media, with the belief that it is one of the worst things we have ever made as a species. I know t…

The problem with AU's U16 ban is that it's going to end up being a de facto real ID requirement for any Australian to communicate online. And also, how many of us on this site were able to learn and grow because they got online as teenagers and learned things? It would have been much, much better to regulate out the worst features of social media platforms for everyone than to pass a Bill that nobody knows how to imp…

You're acting as if they're banning the Internet for U16, they're not, it's just social media (and not even YouTube, and probably not something like reddit either, at least for viewing).

How many things did you actually learn from Facebook? I'm guessing not a lot.

The problem with banning specific features etc is that it will most likely just leave giant loopholes and will be extremely hard to actually enforce.

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