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Re: "Hetzner decided to cancel our account and terminate all servers"

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Post by movedx »

benterix wrote: post #111
danjac wrote: post #92

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They are great for throwaway hobbyist side projects where you don't want to worry about AWS billing horror stories or more expensive offerings like Digital Ocean or Linode. I would not recommend them for a serious, money-on-the-table business.

I only use them for money-making projetcs. Based on my own experience and what I read online, you need to be careful with: * crypto mining (I used it when it wasn't causing much trouble but I noticed my nodes were constantly attacked at a ratio I newer saw for other servers); IIRC Hetzner's current ToS forbid crypto mining * things in legally grey area which might be legal in some places but not so in others, especia…

I've had the same experience with them and OVH. I've yet to try the other players in the market like Scaleway.

Re: "Hetzner decided to cancel our account and terminate all servers"

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Post by SahAssar »

bambax wrote: post #229
bdndndndbve wrote: post #222

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This is like saying "I got kicked off a plane so I bought a Civic and bolted a wing on the back". Cloud front is doing all the heavy lifting and you're not really getting data center level reliability.

Does a Civic fly when it has a wing bolted on it? Coz my setup serves pages alright.

Sure, but that is not what people will read when you say "I built my own data center".

"I setup my own server" would be a lot less misleading.

Re: "Hetzner decided to cancel our account and terminate all servers"

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Post by doublerabbit »

movedx wrote: post #250
doublerabbit wrote: post #200

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> they are simply not a stable foundation to build on. They're a budget host, you should always proceed with caution and never rely on for production. It's the same as buying a second hand eBay server to host users upon. I learnt that the hard way. > Hetzner, the ball is in your court. Not really. If you read the T&C, you'll find that they can do anything with the server. From their T&C: 2.7. Furthermore, we reserve…

> for good cause Did you miss this part?

I didn't post the full thing because the clarity is still vague and that it ended on the full-stop.

"Such good cause is deemed to exist, among other reasons, if the Customer fails to meet its payment obligations or violates other important customer obligations."

https://www.hetzner.com/legal/terms-and-conditions/

Re: "Hetzner decided to cancel our account and terminate all servers"

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Post by [deleted] »

movedx wrote: post #250
doublerabbit wrote: post #200

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> they are simply not a stable foundation to build on. They're a budget host, you should always proceed with caution and never rely on for production. It's the same as buying a second hand eBay server to host users upon. I learnt that the hard way. > Hetzner, the ball is in your court. Not really. If you read the T&C, you'll find that they can do anything with the server. From their T&C: 2.7. Furthermore, we reserve…

> for good cause Did you miss this part?

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Re: "Hetzner decided to cancel our account and terminate all servers"

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Post by SahAssar »

pjerem wrote: post #215
tmikaeld wrote: post #125

Would be good to have a fall-back solution, is there something similar in dedicated server price in the EU as Hetzner? Or does no on else come close?

OVH ? Infomaniak ?

> Infomaniak

Do they do dedicated? I could only see cloud and colo on their site.

Re: "Hetzner decided to cancel our account and terminate all servers"

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Post by 486sx33 »

KingOfCoders wrote: post #19

Whenever I ask a CTO if they have a backup (or plan-B) they say we're on AWS, we backup there and they will never go down as a company. And then I ask them what they do when their account gets shut (e.g. because they are selling something bad on Amazon and have the same phone number as the company account?) Or the instance some years ago where GCP closed because someone had wrongly classified image on their drive? Yo…

I run daily backups of our entire GSuite domain to a local RAID 5 device Everyone thinks I’m crazy

Re: "Hetzner decided to cancel our account and terminate all servers"

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Post by cyberax »

rodgerd wrote: post #243
usrnm wrote: post #233

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Why is that? Hours or even days of downtime are still better than just losing all data. It's a simple cost-benefit analysis, and it's ok to pick different trade-offs depending on your use case

I have spent most of my career in newspaper publishing and banking. A newspaper that doesn't publish for a few days might recover. A bank that drops off the Swift network for days isn't a bank any more.

Russia and Iran would like to have a few words with you.

Banks regularly close for multiple days for bank holidays. Unscheduled downtime is a somewhat different story, though.

Luckily, the traditional SWIFT/banking infrastructure is so negligible these days, my phone can host a classic banking infrastructure for an entire small country.

Re: "Hetzner decided to cancel our account and terminate all servers"

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Post by 9cb14c1ec0 »

thesh4d0w wrote: post #172
9cb14c1ec0 wrote: post #93

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You have to compare the actually performance of the dedi or VM. Cheap dedis and VMs are usually old, cheap hardware with relatively bad performance. I'm running a 20 core, 96 GB ram, 8TB colocated server for $55/month.

Where are you getting colo space that cheap? I'm moving a non-profit off OVH and onto dedicated and I'm looking at $150/month Canadian for 2u + 400w. Also, don't forget about hardware acquisition costs, upgrades over time, replacement hardware and downtime due to outages, etc.

https://microtronixdc.com/ https://www.fiberstate.com/colocation

Re: "Hetzner decided to cancel our account and terminate all servers"

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Post by movedx »

doublerabbit wrote: post #253
movedx wrote: post #250

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> for good cause Did you miss this part?

I didn't post the full thing because the clarity is still vague and that it ended on the full-stop. "Such good cause is deemed to exist, among other reasons, if the Customer fails to meet its payment obligations or violates other important customer obligations." https://www.hetzner.com/legal/terms-and-conditions/

Right, so they can't just pull the rug from under you for any reason they like, then. "Other important customer obligations" is the important and vague part, here.
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