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Is Chrome the New IE? (2023)

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Re: Is Chrome the New IE? (2023)

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Post by Daz1 »

sureIy wrote: post #242
Loughla wrote: post #222

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In the nearest urban center the meters don't take cash. The machines also do not take direct payment. The kiosk on each block also does not take payments of any kind. They force you to use a 3rd party app not actually owned by the city. There is zero way to pay for parking unless you have a smart phone and data. I have no idea why no one has sued for access yet.

1950: put a coin in and walk away 2024: this We are not living in the future. I wish more people rebelled against bad "smart" implementations. If "smart" features are a downgrade in speed and ease, do not remove the old way.

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Re: Is Chrome the New IE? (2023)

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Post by extraduder_ire »

firen777 wrote: post #215
bloppe wrote: post #163

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Am I the only one left happily using Firefox? You know, the only "major" browser that doesn't seem to have these conflicts of interest?

Being the only Android browser (that I know of) that support extensions, namely UBlock Origin, means that Firefox is the only logical choice for me. Chrome's Manifest v3 forcing UBO into becoming UBO Lite only strengthen my original decision. Hopefully this move by google would push more people toward Firefox. Although considering the amount of people who happily surf the web with zero adblockers (including every sin…

Kiwi browser (chromium fork) on android supports extensions from the chrome store. Not that it'll help for much longer.

Re: Is Chrome the New IE? (2023)

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Post by afavour »

Aloisius wrote: post #194
fellowniusmonk wrote: post #96

No not even close by every single possible measure. I was there, I suffered through it, Google would have to make TONS of hostile moves for that fact to change. I have no interest in the arguments of a closed source subscription service that wants me to switch to the bundled browser of the wealthiest company on earth's most popular consumer OS, lecturing me about using the 4th wealthiest company on earth's browser th…

Safari hasn't actually been particular far behind implementing industry standards. As far as I can tell, it's more that people seem to believe that Google dictates industry standards and base everything on when Chrome supports it as opposed to when it actually gets standardized. SSE's W3C draft standard in 2012. Supported in Safari in 2010. web sockets This one is true. IETF standard 2011. Supported fully in Safari 2…

I feel like you’re putting the cart before the horse there. The W3C takes existing implementations into account before issuing a recommendation.

Re: Is Chrome the New IE? (2023)

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Post by dangus »

doctorpangloss wrote: post #247
dangus wrote: post #243

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> because you can't reliably use features until the last two major versions of a browser support those feature Maybe a bit of a nitpick but this particular comparison is exactly the same with any other browser. Sure, Safari is locked to iOS version, but iOS adoption rates are insanely fast, about as fast as browser updates. We are talking 90% current major version adoption within 5 months. Here's a source with some h…

Apple purposefully does not support immersive WebXR in Mobile Safari. If it did 8th Wall wouldn't exist. Mobile Safari would regularly break WASM. Like iOS 10.1 and 10.2 just broke it for no good reason. It had a broken WebGL 2 implementation for a long time. This hobbled Unity games. The compressed textures support for WebGL was also broken for a long time. The lowest latency WebRTC codecs that Stadia and Xbox Cloud…

I wouldn't say I'm defending Apple so much as I'm defending the idea that it might not just be making these technical decisions/iterations entirely based on the most cynical possible interpretation of the situation.

For all we know WebXR immersive just isn't ready yet, just like WebXR wasn't ready for VisionOS 1 and shipped in VisionOS 2, which also makes sense considering that Apple's VR/AR business is years behind its competitors.

Broken stuff can just be bugs and regressions.

And I think it's also contextual to point out that Google really badly needs you to prefer Chrome and have the browser with the most features a lot more than Apple needs Safari to be anything more than a functional basic web browser. Examples like Stadia or even Unity in the web browser are essentially features that nobody asked for and that have worked better as native applications for decades. In other words, Google depends on the web browser being "the only application" as much as Apple depends on their users turning to the App Store first.

I totally get where Apple has a vested interest in boxing out competitors in the way you describe, but at the same time some of the complaints end up sounding a lot like bugs or just being generally behind in development velocity.

Re: Is Chrome the New IE? (2023)

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Post by Kiro »

lxgr wrote: post #142
fellowniusmonk wrote: post #129

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[Citation Needed] What google site or service requires Chrome?

"AI overview" (which I happen to find really useful) was only available on Chrome and Safari for at least a few months. Sure, it's a lab experiment or whatever, but these are just words, and the effect is that I have to use a different browser to be able to use them, for absolutely no technical reason. (The LLM is running on Google's servers and provides plaintext. I think Firefox could handle that.) Just visit this…

Doesn't really support your statement then.

Re: Is Chrome the New IE? (2023)

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Post by Kiro »

1over137 wrote: post #205
steelframe wrote: post #204

When I parked a rental car in downtown SLC last week I had to find a way to pay to park. There was a kiosk with a functional screen, but the touchscreen part of it was broken, so I couldn't interact with it. I plopped my stuff down and sat on a concrete bench in the cold and dark to try to figure things out on my phone. The QR code sent me to a website to install an app. Google Play store said the app was designed fo…

The machines don’t take cash?

I haven't seen any type of machine (including regular vending machines) take cash for at least 10 years, probably longer. Where do you live?

Re: Is Chrome the New IE? (2023)

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Post by tclancy »

fellowniusmonk wrote: post #96

No not even close by every single possible measure. I was there, I suffered through it, Google would have to make TONS of hostile moves for that fact to change. I have no interest in the arguments of a closed source subscription service that wants me to switch to the bundled browser of the wealthiest company on earth's most popular consumer OS, lecturing me about using the 4th wealthiest company on earth's browser th…

Of course it is. None of that is relevant, my younger coworkers only qa in Chrome so it’s IE 5.5 all over again.

Re: Is Chrome the New IE? (2023)

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Post by knappe »

vetinari wrote: post #180
jasode wrote: post #154

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>What exactly are these exotic sites you are visiting that break in Firefox? In my case, an example of a non-exotic site is Youtube streaming 4k 60fps videos. I tried with latest Firefox a few months ago and it was still stuttering and glitchy. But Chrome plays smoothly with no issues. I previously mentioned that 4k playback has been a long-standing issue: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=28783904 On one hand, my…

Never seen this; however, youtube prefers pushing VP9 over H.264. Maybe your computer cannot use hardware decode for VP9 and can for H.264? (Since you mentioned, it is an older one). Maybe the h264ify extension would help. What firefox cannot do and chrome can is HDR playback.

YouTube is routinely broken for Firefox, especially when navigating around in places like shorts. I actually find this to be a feature because it prevents me from continuing to mindlessly consume. But it is broken.

Re: Is Chrome the New IE? (2023)

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Post by troupo »

sureIy wrote: post #241
fellowniusmonk wrote: post #96

No not even close by every single possible measure. I was there, I suffered through it, Google would have to make TONS of hostile moves for that fact to change. I have no interest in the arguments of a closed source subscription service that wants me to switch to the bundled browser of the wealthiest company on earth's most popular consumer OS, lecturing me about using the 4th wealthiest company on earth's browser th…

Safari was late until a couple of years ago when they started implementing new features more aggressively. Now it's always Firefox. Just check how long it took them to add support for the :has() selector and RegEx Lookbehind. We're years into "manifest v3" and background workers are nowhere to be found.

Funnily enough it was Firefox who figured out a workable algorithm for :has IIRC
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