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Why is it so hard to find a job now? Enter Ghost Jobs

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Re: Why is it so hard to find a job now? Enter Ghost Jobs

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Post by radiator »

grugagag wrote: post #189
morpheuskafka wrote: post #140

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You're correct that they are under no obligation to fire the employee on the H-1B. (In theory, they are applying for a "new" job, and them not getting it for whatever the reason isn't an issue for their current job and status.) However, what OP is missing is that rejecting the US citizen application based on their citizenship is still likely a prohibited discrimination case regardless of what they do with the existin…

The problem is that it’s hard to prove they did that. Until the law is changed the show will go on.

Yes, to really prove it, one would need an admission from the employer. But isn't the above comment such an admission?

Re: Why is it so hard to find a job now? Enter Ghost Jobs

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Post by gadders »

shmatt wrote: post #14

I have to put out a ghost job req and interview every person applying within reason for every green card a direct report is applying for. I have to show there are or aren’t any residents or citizens that can fill the job The main problem is: even if the interviewee knocks it out of the park, is an amazing engineer, I still am not interested in firing my OPT/h1b team member who can still legally work for 2-3 years. So…

That sounds ethical.

Good to hear that H1B programme isn't being abused.

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Post by jerrygenser »

shmatt wrote: post #14

I have to put out a ghost job req and interview every person applying within reason for every green card a direct report is applying for. I have to show there are or aren’t any residents or citizens that can fill the job The main problem is: even if the interviewee knocks it out of the park, is an amazing engineer, I still am not interested in firing my OPT/h1b team member who can still legally work for 2-3 years. So…

> So while I will deny their green card application and not submit it,

I might be missing this in the thread. What is the reason that you deny their green card application and not submit?

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Post by actionfromafar »

wil421 wrote: post #219
onlyrealcuzzo wrote: post #207

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What makes you so sure the job wouldn't just exist somewhere cheaper like Europe if they couldn't hire for 2/3 in the US?

Because it’s hard to fire someone in the EU. Eastern Europe is cheaper and so is India.

Using agencies largely solves the "hard to fire someone" problem.

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Post by tartoran »

dec0dedab0de wrote: post #61

I suspect the main reason it is hard to find a job is because interest rate induced layoffs, and remote work created too much competition. Five years ago I wasn’t competing with someone thousands of miles away with a phd who used to work at a faang. As for Ghost Jobs, I think they are skipping how many are just scams collecting data. There are many fake recruiters just posting job listings on behalf of companies they…

> There are many fake recruiters just posting job listings on behalf of companies they are not affiliated with.

I wonder what's the best way to fight this back. Possibly inundate them with junk applications that their data becomes worthless?

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Post by burnt-resistor »

shmatt wrote: post #14

I have to put out a ghost job req and interview every person applying within reason for every green card a direct report is applying for. I have to show there are or aren’t any residents or citizens that can fill the job The main problem is: even if the interviewee knocks it out of the park, is an amazing engineer, I still am not interested in firing my OPT/h1b team member who can still legally work for 2-3 years. So…

So you have zero integrity. Thanks for sharing.

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Post by returningfory2 »

dec0dedab0de wrote: post #159
projectazorian wrote: post #136

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> The h1b program is supposed to be for people at the top of their field so they can skip the normal visa line, but it is commonly used to save money through exploitation. Incorrect - such people already qualify for green cards under the "alien of extraordinary ability" criterion. At least in theory, anyway. There is no "normal visa line" btw, unless you mean the green card diversity lottery, which people from eg. In…

You’re right, I was a bit hyperbolic there. Though it is supposed to be for skilled jobs that a capable american is not available to do.

> Though it is supposed to be for skilled jobs that a capable american is not available to do.

No it's not. The H-1B program has no requirement for a labor market test (i.e. showing that there is no citizen that can do the job). The Immigration and Nationality Act, which is the source of the H-1B program, does not have such a requirement. The only big requirements are that the job require a degree (except for fashion models) and that it pays the prevailing wage.

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Post by actionfromafar »

shmatt wrote: post #171
protonbob wrote: post #62

Earlier quoted context omitted.

So basically you're wasting the interviewees time and breaking the law by admitting that you won't hire a citizen who would do the job just as well.

The law says I can’t submit the I-140 application, which I follow the law and I don’t submit it. As a people manager it’s a heartbreaking conversation to have - to tell a report their dream of staying beyond their visa is gone The law says every line manager needs to do their own industry pulse check every time an i-140 is submitted. And this is the only legal way to pulse check (advertise a ghost job). It would be m…

Finally I understood, thank you.

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Post by overcast »

avgDev wrote: post #194
giantg2 wrote: post #166

What's really weird is supposedly the market is on a bull run, the economy is doing great, and technical talent is in demand, yet the tech job market is absolute shit. I'm thinking I might get laid off or fired next year and my top option is probably working some $50k/yr help desk position after about 13 yoe, a masters, certs, etc. Those seem to be the only legitimate tech ads in my area. Of course for $25/hr I could…

If you are a software dev, have a masters, have DB knowledge and can write scripts, you should look into non-tech companies. I am a fullstack dev, and can solo support and write software for a mid size company. We plan on getting a junior or another dev soon. We will definitely be paying a junior minimum $60k+ and expect nothing but learning first year. We are in a MCOL area, so this is about average. WLB is good. No…

This is EXACTLY what I'm looking for after 20 years experience. 100% willing to trade top salary for a life.

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Post by lumost »

duxup wrote: post #100
lumost wrote: post #48

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is why many job seekers are perpetually passive/work through recruiters. An in-house recruiter may be there to perpetually screen for purple unicorn candidates that bend the CEO's hiring freeze - a contract recruiter won't work with a firm that can't actually hire.

I wish I could say I have a better experience with recruiters but I haven't. I've heard there are good recruiters, I don't doubt it, but it doesn't seem easy to find anymore than the next job is.

There really isn't a "good" recruiter from a candidate perspective. Their incentives are to support the firms they recruit for, and screen candidates. They do not work for your benefit.

My experience early in my career was that I needed to work with many of these recruiters until I found a gig. My experience at the time was weak, and my resume reflected that. I had to take the gigs which had lower competition e.g. systems administration.

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