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Sleep regularity is a stronger predictor of mortality than sleep duration (2023)

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Re: Sleep regularity is a stronger predictor of mortality than sleep duration (2023)

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Post by deprecative »

willy_k wrote: post #249
deprecative wrote: post #247

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I take 1mg melatonin and at no less than 50mg doxy succinate a night to try to sleep. Maybe a few days every few weeks it just won't work so I'm stuck being awake for hours while feeling super tired and groggy and then I'll be awake again the next night like I got a full night's sleep. I have no idea what CBN is. Not intentionally tried the magnesium but I can keep an eye out. I'm between jobs so I can't really affor…

IIRC first generation antihistamines are not good for your brain when taken chronically in higher doses, I would definitely look into those effects. CBN is a federally legal cannabinoid that is reportedly pretty good for sleep, not causing intoxication or interfering with REM like THC does. I have not tried it, although I do regularly use THC (also not good for the brain) for sleep that, along with a meal, reliably g…

Oh, I'm definitely less sharp than I was ten years ago. I struggle with learning new info now. Unfortunately, $10 a month to sleep is affordable. I will look at CBN but CBD doesn't really move the needle much for other issues. I'll check it out all the same. Anything I can do to be rid of them would be great. I've got a prescription for sleep aids but without a job I don't have health insurance and thus cannot afford it. I don't qualify for low income programs, either, so I'm just screwed. Mess with my brain so I can function or be a zombie over half of my waking period.

Re: Sleep regularity is a stronger predictor of mortality than sleep duration (2023)

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Post by fastball »

seer wrote: post #184
fastball wrote: post #167

My problem with regular sleep is that the sum of "good night sleep" + "energy for the day" is > 24 hours. Realistically I think it is about 26 hours on average. If I sleep for a normal amount (7-8 hours) I will generally have about 18 hours of energy. So if I just sleep when I'm tired my schedule is constantly shifting. If I go to bed when not tired I just stair at the ceiling for hours, which feels like a waste.

You might need stronger environmental queues for your body to wake up. The body has both internal and external data to know when you have to wake up - lights, noise levels etc. If you set up your bedroom “too well” - quiet, light blocking roller blinds etc, then your body can only rely on the internal clock. I used to have that but since moving to another place without those “niceties” suddenly my body quite easily f…

My problem isn't really waking up though, it's the going to sleep.

Re: Sleep regularity is a stronger predictor of mortality than sleep duration (2023)

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Post by rgrieselhuber »

devmor wrote: post #238
rgrieselhuber wrote: post #122

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Sure it can. Knowledge, skills, and wisdom passed on to children and grandchildren well into adulthood significantly increases their chances of successfully passing on their genes to future generations, attract quality mates, and reduce stressors that can be passed down through subsequent generations.

You are thinking in far more modern terms than anything evolutionarily distant enough to affect this issue in a large portion of the population. Additionally, even if you were looking to predict selection many generations in the future; modern reproduction happens at higher rates the lower in economic disparity you go, so clearly that isn’t the case.

I was responding to the sweeping statement you made about what natural selection can select for, and it can absolutely select for these sorts of advantages. It will play out differently depending on environmental factors such as economic and other disparities but this just becomes a matter of which strategy is chosen to adapt to that landscape.

Re: Sleep regularity is a stronger predictor of mortality than sleep duration (2023)

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Post by anonym29 »

nativeit wrote: post #16
anonym29 wrote: post #11

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Whew, glad we covered all 6 of the known possible confounding variables.

You are willfully taking more away from that than was stated. Such a fallacy is a favorite trope among science denialists, and those who would distort the objectivity of research for misinformed (and/or dishonest) ends. I don’t know what, if any, specific motivations you have, but I think it’s worth pointing out.

The scientific method explicitly requires peer-review and feedback, in part because methodological flaws may have been overlooked by those who designed and/or performed the original study.

Ad-hominem attacks against a person offering good-faith methodological criticism (such as calling them a "science denialist", or accusing them of being "misinformed" and/or "dishonest") is behavior that seeks to defend the results of a study more strongly than it seeks to discover the truth.

If you have a critique of my methodological criticism itself, by all means, please share it, but the entire scientific community would be better off if we could do away with this kind of emotionally-charged quasi-religious dogma that seeks to suppress legitimate scientific concerns through social ostracism.

--------------- Compare and contrast the above with what follows: ---------------

Your post reminds me of the reaction of the Catholic Church to Copernicus's assertions of a heliocentric solar system.

--------------- Notice how sticking to objective, unemotional, and impersonal language in the first section is more conducive to earnest scientific inquiry than the personal attack in the second section?

Re: Sleep regularity is a stronger predictor of mortality than sleep duration (2023)

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Post by willy_k »

deprecative wrote: post #251
willy_k wrote: post #249

Earlier quoted context omitted.

IIRC first generation antihistamines are not good for your brain when taken chronically in higher doses, I would definitely look into those effects. CBN is a federally legal cannabinoid that is reportedly pretty good for sleep, not causing intoxication or interfering with REM like THC does. I have not tried it, although I do regularly use THC (also not good for the brain) for sleep that, along with a meal, reliably g…

Oh, I'm definitely less sharp than I was ten years ago. I struggle with learning new info now. Unfortunately, $10 a month to sleep is affordable. I will look at CBN but CBD doesn't really move the needle much for other issues. I'll check it out all the same. Anything I can do to be rid of them would be great. I've got a prescription for sleep aids but without a job I don't have health insurance and thus cannot afford…

Sorry that that’s the situation you’re dealing with. Yeah CBN seems to be about 2-3x that price, although there is a tincture[0] from harbor city hemp that contains 600 standard doses for $80, but that would be absurd to get without experiencing efficacy first. There’s a small chance a local smoke shop or hemp shop (will have more reliable/safe products than former) would have something for a better price. You’ve probably already done this, but pharmacies offer various discounts that you could ask about as well.

https://harborcityhemp.com/product/ultra-potency-cbn-tinctur...

Re: Sleep regularity is a stronger predictor of mortality than sleep duration (2023)

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Post by devmor »

rgrieselhuber wrote: post #253
devmor wrote: post #238

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You are thinking in far more modern terms than anything evolutionarily distant enough to affect this issue in a large portion of the population. Additionally, even if you were looking to predict selection many generations in the future; modern reproduction happens at higher rates the lower in economic disparity you go, so clearly that isn’t the case.

I was responding to the sweeping statement you made about what natural selection can select for, and it can absolutely select for these sorts of advantages. It will play out differently depending on environmental factors such as economic and other disparities but this just becomes a matter of which strategy is chosen to adapt to that landscape.

Can you give an example of evolution selecting for parental survival past the maturity of progeny? I’m curious about this because I’ve never heard of a species that has that trait.

Re: Sleep regularity is a stronger predictor of mortality than sleep duration (2023)

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Post by rgrieselhuber »

devmor wrote: post #256
rgrieselhuber wrote: post #253

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I was responding to the sweeping statement you made about what natural selection can select for, and it can absolutely select for these sorts of advantages. It will play out differently depending on environmental factors such as economic and other disparities but this just becomes a matter of which strategy is chosen to adapt to that landscape.

Can you give an example of evolution selecting for parental survival past the maturity of progeny? I’m curious about this because I’ve never heard of a species that has that trait.

I never said it is selecting for parental survival. I was responding to "Evolution can't select for anything that happens significantly past the birth of your progeny."

The point is that there many valuable things that parents can pass on after the birth of their children that will increase their chances of success in future generations.

Re: Sleep regularity is a stronger predictor of mortality than sleep duration (2023)

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Post by fatnoah »

__turbobrew__ wrote: post #115
fatnoah wrote: post #3

Great, another source of anxiety to make it harder to maintain a consistent sleep schedule.

I know this will not help you, but stressing about sleep is a vicious cycle which does not help. I used to be much more anxious about sleep — and life in general — but I have leaned that if I don’t sleep that is fine. Life goes on, the body gets what the body needs, and I should focus on living instead of sleeping. Being active, spending time with friends, going outside for walks, laughing, and taking the world as it…

Fortunately, I did learn early on that stressing about sleep, especially as I lie awake in bed, was making things worse.

Re: Sleep regularity is a stronger predictor of mortality than sleep duration (2023)

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Post by gastlygem »

thimabi wrote: post #87

I found the best way to ensure sleep regularity is by having a fixed wake-up time. If you don’t have one and you begin to set your alarm clock to early hours, the first weeks doing so will feel like hell. But eventually all will be worth it. The sleepiness during the day will disappear and, at night, your body will naturally want to get some rest early. Another strategy is to fill your day with deep work and exercise…

Just here to confirm. I have facetime setup at 5am in the morning with my family across the pacific. I've also started to exercise regularly. It's been 2 months and my sleep pattern is exactly like yours, and I feel exactly like you do.

Re: Sleep regularity is a stronger predictor of mortality than sleep duration (2023)

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Post by deprecative »

willy_k wrote: post #255
deprecative wrote: post #251

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Oh, I'm definitely less sharp than I was ten years ago. I struggle with learning new info now. Unfortunately, $10 a month to sleep is affordable. I will look at CBN but CBD doesn't really move the needle much for other issues. I'll check it out all the same. Anything I can do to be rid of them would be great. I've got a prescription for sleep aids but without a job I don't have health insurance and thus cannot afford…

Sorry that that’s the situation you’re dealing with. Yeah CBN seems to be about 2-3x that price, although there is a tincture[0] from harbor city hemp that contains 600 standard doses for $80, but that would be absurd to get without experiencing efficacy first. There’s a small chance a local smoke shop or hemp shop (will have more reliable/safe products than former) would have something for a better price. You’ve pro…

I do appreciate the information. I cannot afford the doctor's visit much less prescription even with a discount. This is what my country wants for me so I'll just deal until I am productive enough to deserve healthcare again.
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