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Several Russian developers lose kernel maintainership status

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Re: Several Russian developers lose kernel maintainership status

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the GPL

The GNU General Public Law ?

No, the legally binding licenses that fall under the purview of Copyleft enforcement. A critical component of modern Free Software is licenses that absolve the primary author of liability that is implicitly agreed-upon when contributing third-party code. If these contributors disagreed with the terms of the GPL then they had 30 years to realize it.

Re: Several Russian developers lose kernel maintainership status

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> "some Russian-sounding names are banned, but we still have to demonstrate there is a due process". That's not true! There are still many Russian maintainers in the kernel, but they are not based in Russia. They only banned individuals, based in Russia, who are employed by sanctioned companies.

As a neighboring comment mentioned, at least one banned individual seems to be based in the US is employed by Amazon, as per their LinkedIn, including some old posts: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=41933300 They just happened to still use their older .ru email in the MAINTAINERS file.

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Re: Several Russian developers lose kernel maintainership status

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Open source means put up or shut up. If you don’t like the institutions, then build it yourself. You can’t cry foul when the group is literally providing you with free software. Open source institutions don’t own anyone anything beyond open software.

>the group is literally providing you with free software It's not their software. Linux kernel is written by thousands of people from all around the world.

The quoted text is a great mechanism to turn your brain off. "Oh, they giving me stuff. They must be good then and can do no wrong. I can turn my brain off and go sleep."

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History is full of violent revolutions against autocratic governments. We should inflict maximum pain on the Russian populace. Be as cruel as possible. Keep the pressure on. Eventually it might pay off. And even if it doesn't work, it serves as an object lesson to other countries on the consequences of opposing US policies.

So, what you want is essentially pushing a whole country's population around for your own amusement? Very motivating, not gonna lie!

Amusement has nothing to do with it. This is one method among many for pursuing national geopolitical goals. It's a shame that the Russian populace has to suffer, I bear them no ill will. But if they ever want to get out of international sanctions then they know what they need to do.

Re: Several Russian developers lose kernel maintainership status

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Russian government is cancer but this is pointless. It would be much easier to hide a backdoor in an npm or python package.

It's an economic sanction not an attack avoidance mechanism.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Economic_sanctions

Re: Several Russian developers lose kernel maintainership status

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But if that's the case, why don't they?

Lawyers. https://lore.kernel.org/all/7ee74c1b5b589619a13c6318c9fbd0d6...

What about them? I can say "it's illegal for me to murder someone" without a lawyer being involved and so I can say "it's illegal for me to collaborate with company X" if that is true. Lawyers wouldn't stop me saying that unless something fishy was happening.

Re: Several Russian developers lose kernel maintainership status

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a random free gmail account and a fake name does not give you the ability to commit to the linux kernel, so no.

It allows you to get code into the kernel by way of sending patches. Eventually you may earn enough trust to get into some kind of power position. Surely you remember the liblzma/xz story.

These people don't even remember that the man in the telly told them something completely different a month ago. As far as they are concerned, they've always been at war with Eastasia. And you are expecting them to remember something and draw parallels?

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The email thread continues. Linus later responded with: >No, but I'm not a lawyer, so I'm not going to go into the details that I - and other maintainers - were told by lawyers. >I'm also not going to start discussing legal issues with random internet people who I seriously suspect are paid actors and/or have been riled up by them. Which I find pretty concerning statements, quite a disservice to the community. It's a…

Open source means put up or shut up. If you don’t like the institutions, then build it yourself. You can’t cry foul when the group is literally providing you with free software. Open source institutions don’t own anyone anything beyond open software.

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Re: Several Russian developers lose kernel maintainership status

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Probably the best thing that can happen to the kernel... this type of measure generally backfires spectacularly by giving talent the opportunity to thrive, if anything as a way to fight back against injustice and arbitrary decisions, or for sanctioned opposition to invest in resilience by dumping more money in things otherwise not consider a priority. I always thought Argentine music from the 80's and early 90s was l…

By removing a few Russians who are more than likely to leave the country anyway?
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