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Re: Adobe's new image rotation tool is one of the most impressive AI tools seen

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Post by emmanueloga_ »

t0bia_s wrote: post #247
emmanueloga_ wrote: post #199

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Gimp? Although the UX feels so outdated. https://github.com/KenneyNL/Adobe-Alternatives#photoshop

If you ever worked professionally with PS, you are getting tired of recommendations of tool that is capable like 20% of PS.

Interesting! What are some unique features not typically found in other apps? (don't say generative fill lol)

Creating a specification for minimum viable features of a raster editor able to replace Photoshop would be fantastic.

Could serve as a roadmap for alternatives and for bragging rights: "Painter2900: implements 99% of the Rasterflames Liberation Standard, and more!".

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Post by t0bia_s »

emmanueloga_ wrote: post #251
t0bia_s wrote: post #247

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If you ever worked professionally with PS, you are getting tired of recommendations of tool that is capable like 20% of PS.

Interesting! What are some unique features not typically found in other apps? (don't say generative fill lol) Creating a specification for minimum viable features of a raster editor able to replace Photoshop would be fantastic. Could serve as a roadmap for alternatives and for bragging rights: "Painter2900: implements 99% of the Rasterflames Liberation Standard, and more!".

Mask precision, plugin compatibility, scripts and actions, color profiles management, brush options, camera raw compatibility, liquify tool, 3D, font options... I just named a few that I use regularly.

Beside functions, Gimp's UI looks outdated.

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Post by johnisgood »

jryle70 wrote: post #206
coliveira wrote: post #184

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You might be ok with being a lab rat, but most people are not. People buy products to satisfy their needs, not to participate in somebody else's experiment. Given the option (in the absence of monopoly) they will search for another company that treats them correctly.

> People buy products to satisfy their needs People buy products for the novelty all the time. Sometimes they are disappointed with what they got, sometimes they discover new things. Take this very feature being discussed. How many people need it if Adobe released it today? How many would like what they see and decide to buy or renew? > Given the option (in the absence of monopoly) they will search for another compan…

I agree, people not only "buy products" for novelty, people crave novelty in general, from products to relationships.

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Post by johnisgood »

dylan604 wrote: post #16
jampekka wrote: post #9

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Not bad, but what's up with the audience? Is there an Adobe cult or something?

Of course there is. Just like there's an Apple Cult, Android Cult, Facebook Cult, Sportsball team cult, blah blah blah. Any group that is large enough to attract that many users/followers/fans will naturally have a subset that is more gungho than the rest.

Yes. Forsyth's book titled Group Dynamics is a great one if one wants to know more about this kind of thing.

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Post by johnisgood »

dylan604 wrote: post #119
Waterluvian wrote: post #104

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The more I spend time as a software developer, the more strongly I believe that UX is 80% of what makes a tool good, and that a lot of programmers really just don’t get that.

There are also the programmers that do get that, but just don't have the ability to change it. I'm no artist, but I can tell you when something looks bad. I'm constantly playing with CSS to learn new things to make things look better. I'm now in that category of "it looks like someone tried but just didn't achieve, but better than most" level of design. Programmers making things for other programmers will always be f…

Yup, I suck at graphics, but I know when something is awful, and oftentimes I have an idea as to how it could be better, but then again, I am terribly incompetent at graphics.

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Post by kranke155 »

woah wrote: post #202
dagmx wrote: post #185

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With all due respect there’s never been a time when that could have legitimately been argued unless someone was doing relatively basic things with those apps or was a hobbyist. There’s always been a significant gap in capabilities once you looked past the surface. I find this sentiment is common among FOSS advocates who don’t actually professionally use those tools. I am definitely an advocate for free tools closing…

Even if the open source option is only slightly worse, why would a professional allow that to impact how they earn a living?

Its not "slightly" worse. Its 10x or 100x drop in the artists performance/pipeline. No serious graphic designer I know uses FOSS vs Adobe products.

Plus they are industry standards so people expect those files at the end of the project.

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Post by bombcar »

woah wrote: post #202
dagmx wrote: post #185

Earlier quoted context omitted.

With all due respect there’s never been a time when that could have legitimately been argued unless someone was doing relatively basic things with those apps or was a hobbyist. There’s always been a significant gap in capabilities once you looked past the surface. I find this sentiment is common among FOSS advocates who don’t actually professionally use those tools. I am definitely an advocate for free tools closing…

Even if the open source option is only slightly worse, why would a professional allow that to impact how they earn a living?

Let’s assume the open source software suite was exactly as capable and performant as Adobe’s.

Unless everything is exactly the same (even the default file format) you’re still going to be better off with “what everyone uses” because you have to share content, and one mistake of sending a GIMP file instead of a PSD isn’t really worth the savings.

Where the open source stuff shines is where you have 10,000 employees who need minor image editing once a month or less; then you can save millions by using GIMP et al.

It’s possible to have a complete open source image setup - https://www.peppercarrot.com/en/about/index.html has done it, for example (and the issues he experiences are worth reading).

Re: Adobe's new image rotation tool is one of the most impressive AI tools seen

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Post by bombcar »

redbell wrote: post #180

> Adobe's Brian Domingo told Creative Bloq that like other Adobe Innovation projects, there's still no guarantee that this feature will be released commercially . Well, I confess I got a little bit confused here :/ . What's the purpose then for such an innovative solution if not commercialized?!

It means it’s a tech demo that still has issues which they think they can solve but aren’t sure.

Anything could happen and they need to be sure they don’t run afoul of securities law by “promising” something they don’t end up delivering.

Re: Adobe's new image rotation tool is one of the most impressive AI tools seen

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Post by bryanrasmussen »

ryandrake wrote: post #10

I'm making some big assumptions about Adobe's product ideation process, but: This seems like the "right" way to approach developing AI products: Find a user need that can't easily be solved with traditional methods and algorithms, decide that AI is appropriate for that thing, and then build an AI system to solve it. Rather than what many BigTech companies are currently doing: "Wall Street says we need to 'Use AI Some…

>Rather than what many BigTech companies are currently doing

this BigTech strategy or perhaps also Big money strategy is a common feature of all hype bubbles, see XML as an example.

Perhaps caused by the people with the big money not knowing anything about the technology but having a feeling that this will produce some valuable things, therefore throw a bunch of money at everything, those things that survive will reward us, the other stuff we write off.

Re: Adobe's new image rotation tool is one of the most impressive AI tools seen

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Post by latexr »

throwaway2037 wrote: post #210
latexr wrote: post #112

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I don’t think those ideas are mutually exclusive. I heavily dislike Adobe and think they’re a rotten company with predatory practices. I also think “AI art” can be harmful to artists and more often than not produces uninteresting flawed garbage at an unacceptable energy cost. Still, when I first heard of Adobe Firefly, my initial reaction was “smart business move, by exclusively using images they have the rights to”.…

> I also think “AI art” can be harmful to artists and more often than not produces uninteresting flawed garbage at an unacceptable energy cost. What do you think about Midjourney? The (2D) results are pretty incredible.

> What do you think about Midjourney

I think that’s irrelevant to the argument and that it only leads to an uninteresting derailment of the discussion, as demonstrated by the two flagged replies that also focused on that purely contextual piece of information.

Someone else nailed it:

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=41872284

If we ever meet, I’d be glad to answer that question in detail and compare notes. Right now, I think it’d be another distraction that does nothing to advance the conversation.

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