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Clearly this model no longer works. Bell labs had 11 nobel prize winners. What did Google invent? Slightly better generative neural networks whose offsprings now pollute their search results?

Two of Google's researchers are getting the Nobel prize for AlphaFold2 this year.

DeepMind, not Google organically.

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I think you're getting it backwards. The research operations are a desperate attempt stave off regulation to keep the sweet, sweet monopoly profits coming in (and those profits are so big that the bean-counters allow it). I believe that was the explicit strategy at AT&T. We collectively pay way, way more. It'd be way more efficient and cost effective to just set up a well-funded government labs to do that research.

I am not at all confident that a government lab will be either well-funded or efficient in any sense of the words.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ARPANET

TCP/IP?

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Tons of small businesses rely on advertising. Tons of legit businesses only exist because online advertising became easy and widespread.

I fully understand that advertising enables many businesses. But there have been businesses based on lead pipes for drinking water plumbing, asbestos for residential insulation, and so on. You could make an argument that these technologies enabled many businesses as well. That doesn’t mean we should allow lead pipes for drinking water or to use asbestos in residential homes.

Online advertising has leveled the playing field, allowing smaller brands to compete with big names. Platforms like Google make it easy to capture attention, which is why even giants like Nike are losing market share to newer players. This shift spans all non-regulated industries. Without online ads, launching a nationwide brand would require enormous budgets, leaving us stuck with the same old monopolies.

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> it still baffles me how bad the alternatives still are Kagi

After having been a paid subscriber for a number of months, I have to say that it still wasn't cutting it. I still ended up falling back to google all the time. Plus, https://d-shoot.net/kagi.html

Wow, those comments from the founder on GDPR are not unlike "we just chatgpted the license lol". I'm reconsidering my sub.

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Tons of small businesses rely on advertising. Tons of legit businesses only exist because online advertising became easy and widespread.

If you rely on advertising you should not be outsourcing it to google anyway. You should have more control over that part of your business which means it needs to be at least partially in house. Even if you do take some google ads, make sure you have other partners and make sure that ads meet your standards (not a scam, not for your competitors).

You don't rely on Google to handle everything, it's self-service. Whether you use Google or another platform depends entirely on where your audience is. For example, my father runs a small construction company, and 90% of his leads come from Google search. That’s where people are looking for services like his.

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The US government has been working solely for their donors for the last 40+ years. Any benefit the voters get from lawmaking is coincidental.

That thought may be comforting, but no. Don't mistake the limited-purpose US Government for your state government. Colorado does quite a bit, from healthcare to environment to policing. And so does the US, for those subjects it has jurisdiction, and has been doing so for hundreds of years.

>>The US government has been working solely for their donors for the last 40+ years. Any benefit the voters get from lawmaking is coincidental.

>That thought may be comforting, but no.

Why would that be comforting?

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Tons of small businesses rely on advertising. Tons of legit businesses only exist because online advertising became easy and widespread.

In general advertising is low ROI, the tradeoff being that it's "easy." I think a lot of these businesses could succeed using alternative promotional strategies. Some of them might suffer because the owners have more money than time and advertising is a good tradeoff in that case, but overall good products are still going to do well.

What alternative promotional strategies?

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I'd argue almost every platform with ads do have this option. You just may disagree about what's reasonably priced.

Facebook immediately comes to mind. Does google even have an ad-free version? Youtube nominally does (though that doesn't stop channels from running their own).

YouTube and Gmail do. I have both ad free. Google search does not. Facebook only did in Europe afaik, but I’d argue it’s not priced fairly. I don’t use most of meta, but would love an ad free instagram. But even if I were in Europe, the price is 20 a month. If I used other meta products that might be fine as a bundle, but is absurdly high for just instagram.

Most newspapers require payment but have no ad free option either.

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Interoperability is great, walled-garden integration is a trap like any sort of bundling. If someone wants to create a suite of products that work well together that's fine so long as they employ means that allow other products to integrate as well. Google has gone the other route and created a suite of products and services that integrate in ways that exclude competitors.

> Interoperability is great, Yup, and that's what people want. So what is the integrated service you are saying exists that can be a drop in replacement for the way so many organizations use Google's integrated services?

There isn't one, and there's no incentive to build it so long as creating a walled garden is more profitable.

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> it still baffles me how bad the alternatives still are Kagi

After having been a paid subscriber for a number of months, I have to say that it still wasn't cutting it. I still ended up falling back to google all the time. Plus, https://d-shoot.net/kagi.html

One part I can add, having tried Ecosia [1] is it at least made me consider question like:

"Are they actually planting these trees?" and "How would I possibly verify?"

"Does Microsoft actually pay them? All I'm doing is clicking? Is that worth enough?"

"How does anybody verify, and how is it not just an optimization for Ecosia to farm clicks for money? Chinese/Indian/Bangladeshi/Nigerian/MechTurk click farms don't cost that much. Seen the prices on MechTurk?"

[1] https://www.ecosia.org/

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