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Post by rockskon »

kragen wrote: post #192
rockskon wrote: post #188

Earlier quoted context omitted.

LLMs are not intellence. They are not AGI. They do not have the reasoning skills of a baby. This is not something they will "grow into". No amount of additional training data in the world will turn LLMs into AGI. Any argument to the contrary is pure, 100% copium to justify the hundreds of billions of dollars industry has poured into this technology.

hot air balloons aren't birds either, monsieur

That analogy still doesn't mean LLMs are a form of intelligence with reasoning capability.

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Post by davidhs »

lukan wrote: post #106
kragen wrote: post #62

> I am certain they never intended to inspire a 12 year-old kid to find a better life. i can't speak for everyone, but as one of the people writing tutorials and faqs and helping people learn to do things with free software during the period miller is talking about, that is absolutely what i intended to do. and, from the number of people i knew who were excited to work on olpc, conectar igualdad , and huayra linux, i…

"the internet was a gift economy, like burning man: people giving away things of value to all comers because if you don't do that maybe it's because you can't. the good parts of it still are" But it feels like more and more are taken over by money from advertisement. It is allways a relieve to me, find a site in the old spirit.

Also, everything you publicly write today is just used as AI fodder. :/

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Post by jagermo »

pushupentry1219 wrote: post #119

As someone of the younger generation, I think "raised by the internet" these days is extremely toxic and non-productive not at all what the author here is talking about in this lovely post. When someone says "I was raised by the internet", I immediately think: social media addiction, 4chan and other online obscenities. But this is completely based on my own personal experience. My point here is not related to this lo…

I know what you mean and it makes a little bit sad. I loved browsing through the early web, learning stuff and break things. Especially in the seedy underbelly, IRC chats and all of that. But now, I'm happy that I am not an adulescent boy being constantly bombarded with the manosphere crap and all of these influencers. I pity the younger generation, they don't know what was taken from them. I mean, the helpful internet is still there, but hidden behind so much bullshit.

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Post by sethammons »

TZubiri wrote: post #174
sethammons wrote: post #154

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I fear you missed something in the don't talk to cops speech. https://youtu.be/d-7o9xYp7eE?si=fhqbLEK3jypnK-k0 Human nature may be to help. It is always a risk to talk to officers. If you are being obstinate, prepare for someone with an authority complex to sit on you. Be also ready for that same person to sit on you for no reason and twist anything you say into a problem. Just don't give them ammo against you.

Biggest thing I missed is that I don't live in the US. Even if I lived in the US, and the times I visited, I'm still disregarding most of the recommendations. It feels more like these people are making political statements of what should be and recruiting me and other viewers to help move towards that ideal. Especially they want regular citizens to do this shit so that everyone has plausible deniability. The issue is…

Being scared to not stand up for your rights is understandable. On visa too. If I was in Mexico, I'd probably pay the bribes to dirty cops myself.

The advice is like not plugging in a random usb stick into your computer or wearing a condom. Risk vs reward. There is real risk unfortunately talking with police in the US.

The point of that video (by a lawyer and a cop, really, watch it if you haven't for those in the US) is that you open yourself to real legal risk talking to a cop. They can lie. They have pressure to perform, are often in potentially dangerous situations, are often jaded and assume you are guilty of something, the role self selects for bullies and weeds out those deemed too smart. Everyone and anyone can be a target depending on the officer. I have had positive experiences with a couple cops. I have also tasted lots of negative experiences.

We got pulled over and all of us were separated and the cops grilled us, lied about finding drugs on other passengers, tried to get each person, including minors who were isolated and now alone, to admit to illicit activities. We were completely straight edge and had nothing to hide.

Cops can talk to my lawyer.

Re: Being Raised by the Internet

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Post by dTal »

TZubiri wrote: post #174
sethammons wrote: post #154

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I fear you missed something in the don't talk to cops speech. https://youtu.be/d-7o9xYp7eE?si=fhqbLEK3jypnK-k0 Human nature may be to help. It is always a risk to talk to officers. If you are being obstinate, prepare for someone with an authority complex to sit on you. Be also ready for that same person to sit on you for no reason and twist anything you say into a problem. Just don't give them ammo against you.

Biggest thing I missed is that I don't live in the US. Even if I lived in the US, and the times I visited, I'm still disregarding most of the recommendations. It feels more like these people are making political statements of what should be and recruiting me and other viewers to help move towards that ideal. Especially they want regular citizens to do this shit so that everyone has plausible deniability. The issue is…

Ah yes, the classic "I have nothing to hide". Just know that you are being cowardly if your response to an authority figure exceeding their legal authority is to immediately capitulate. Go ahead and make your life easier in the present if you must, but don't pretend the moral high ground; someday the shoe may be on the other foot.

It is worth considering why, if it is such a social good, you are not legally compelled to explain yourself to a police officer to their satisfaction on no more than a whim.

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Post by kragen »

amatecha wrote: post #206
kragen wrote: post #187

Earlier quoted context omitted.

2004 was yesterday i was on the internet in 01992: before adsense, before monkey punchers, before geocities, before amazon, but not before dot-com, as my references to lynx and the nsf should have told you. money was a big factor but not in the way you are describing

same year for me. I have such fond memories of those few years where you could just scour through university FTPs and websites for hours, finding so much cool (and informative) stuff. It felt like getting a peek into so many worlds I knew nothing about, and it felt limitless (especially as I was a kid at the time). Indeed, the openness and "generosity" of people online in those days set such a good example for me, th…

one way in which firefox is worse now is that ftp support got broken a few years ago

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Post by lemper »

fermigier wrote: post #88

I wasn't raised (as a technologist) by the internet, but by cassettes, floppies, magazines and books. But we share at least one experience: the horrors of ndiswrapper. 20 years later, I recently tried to install Ubuntu on an old Intel MacBook Pro that I got somehow, and I realized that in 2024 you still can't install Linux on a laptop (at least, on laptop of a certain popular make) without jumping through hoops, due…

ay bro! my old man berated me because i installed linux on our desktop and couldn't connect to the internet via modem. today, i am only willing to install linux on thinkpad laptops and some well-known-to-work pc.

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Post by 71bw »

zipping1549 wrote: post #198

It's uncanny how much similar the author's experience to mine. I learned computer stuff fixing and tinkering with barely working computer.

>I learned computer stuff fixing and tinkering with barely working computer.

Being relatively young (born after 2000), I wouldn't be here were it not for the Core 2 Duo HP machine I got in 2014-ish after my father fired some people from his company and was left with surplus machines. It ran a, at that point, 6? year old install of Vista with all the HP bloat, had 2 gigs of RAM, a 160GB HDD, no internet connection and came with a 5:4 display to match. Christ did I love that machine. I spent hours in front of it. Getting games to work. Getting pirated software off the web (downloaded on our "main" family PC that I still used to play Minecraft over the network with friends), onto a 2 gig pendrive, often in parts and copying it over. Learning how archives work in general. How to re-install Windows, partition a drive, modify the OS visually, install language packs, struggle heavily to get .net 3.5 on Windows 8 without the net... That's the exact moment I fell in love with computers. Well, I most likely fell into obesity at that point as well, but ignoring that it's all been positive. Then I got the Internet and it went down quickly.

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