I can't wait for OctoPunch, the turn-based combat video game! You play as the octopus, of course, and build your party from a selection of fishy characters, each with their own personality and special hunting skills.
I feel like I've played that game before. https://splatoon.nintendo.com/
Octopuses seen hunting together with fish
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#252Octopuses are practically alien. They can: - shape shift into so many different forms and shapes. - "invisibility", by instantanously changing colors & it's own skin texture, to match surrounds. - can regrow entire body parts if cut off (like arms) - have 9 brains (localized) - and are ridiculous intelligent
And yet like us they have two eyes. I wonder if we meet aliens from another star-orbiting planet if their light-sensors will look anything like ours.
>Most spiders have eight eyes. Some have no eyes and others have as many as 12 eyes.
https://www.nationalgeographic.com/animals/article/spider-se...
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#255I love imagining how the fish are almost an extension of the way the octopuses think. Octopuses seem to have quite a bit of independent cognition in each of their arms, which are wrangled by the central brain. Now they're wrangling independent fish brains instead of octopus arm brains. Incredible
You might enjoy 'Children of Ruin' by Adrian Tchaikovsky, which explores this idea in depth with a civilization of genetically modified, super-intelligent octopuses. (Though I'd start with the first book in the series, 'Children of Time')
Don't worry, Alt Samman & co. will soon create GAI - Genetically Advanced Intelligence, Octopus Edition, which will know how to manhandle us, 8 arms at a time.
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#257If you want to go straight to the videos here are some links which you get if you click and scroll a couple of steps further.
Supplementary Video 6
Typical movement dynamics and web-over temporal characteristics when octopuses are hunting alone. https://static-content.springer.com/esm/art%3A10.1038%2Fs415...
Example of a previous fish attack of a structure that triggers a reaction from the octopus and consequent web-over over a food-baited structure
https://static-content.springer.com/esm/art%3A10.1038%2Fs415...
Examples of octopuses punching fish, thus displacing them https://static-content.springer.com/esm/art%3A10.1038%2Fs415...
Example of a multispecific group hunting and typical movements, featuring all species categories analysed in this study except yellow goatfish https://static-content.springer.com/esm/art%3A10.1038%2Fs415...
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#258Earlier quoted context omitted.
>Octopuses seem to have quite a bit of independent cognition in each of their arms, which are wrangled by the central brain. Yes, that's inherent in the design. All grey matter (optimized for local intercommunication), no white matter (optimized for sending signals between regions). Each arm has its own ganglion ("CPU") and the central unit struggles to keep up with these and keep them coordinated.
living brains are not "CPUs"
it's a metaphor, you very clever person who though you had a gotcha.
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#259Earlier quoted context omitted.
i find your questions a little funny as i had this sort of conversation already dozens of times and i know where this is coming from and where it's going. i mean i've been a vegetarian myself for more than a decade (am not anymore) and i took pleasure in leading people who initiated discussions around it ad absurdum. in germany there was a case of cannibalism many years ago where a guy known by the name Armin Meiwes…
You could restate the golden rule as "treat others sufficiently like myself the way I'd like to be treated", not so long ago this wasn't applied to other humans who didn't look the same, but now it just seems reasonable to expand who the golden rule applies to beyond just species into... beings within a certain threshold of human intelligence. It is somewhat of a fundamental of morality, beings which are sufficiently…
so, you can eat mentally handicapped / retarded humans then?
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#260Disneyfication of octopuses. In that video you'll see, exactly anything that you want to see. Would justify perfectly an: "in the video the octopus is seen trying to avoid being stolen its food by all the other fishes", that is the same behavior that you'll see if you break a crab or an urchin underwater. Many coastal fishes from rocky bottoms will come to steal any food scrap available. They don't cooperate with oth…
In the one short video you do see what you want to see. Meanwhile the researchers have hundreds of hours into this... Probably shouldn't base your entire opinion of the study on a 17 second video or a fluff article. https://www.nature.com/articles/s41559-024-02525-2
> Probably shouldn't base your entire opinion of the study on a 17 second video or a fluff article.
I comment based on what I have, and using my personal experience on the field. Experience based on decades of hard study. I had studied Cephalopods for more than 17 seconds, you can bet for it.
If this is common behavior, don't you think that with all the scientists doing research on Cephalopods since Aristotle, and with the millions of hours of people keeping Cephalopods on captivity, somebody would had described it long time ago?. I wonder why suddenly science only finds facts that support the ideologies from the politics that (duh) block, or allow, the money trickle for research.
Never had seen so much wonderful hype science as since the last years. So much 'interesting' interpretations on the reality that defy the logical explanation, since the LLM landed. Suddenly cows fly and pigs live underground. How we never realized this wonders before the IA?
If you want me to spend hours chasing articles, pruning the lying and counterfeit, and making you a report, no problem. Just pay me for my time. Alternatively, if you want to believe that octopuses are small alien children walking undersea gardens with umbrellas, good for you. It's a free country.