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Boeing workers vote to strike

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Post by TehCorwiz »

diggan wrote: post #213
aners_xyz wrote: post #207

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I’m not really sure this framing makes any sense if I’m being honest.

What private corporation could make mistakes where people lose their lives on the same scale while still operating as normal afterwards?

BP and Exxon have killed entire ecosystems including people. They lied for decades about the environmental effects of fossil fuels. Air pollution alone has conservatively killed hundreds of thousands of people. While you can't blame them for air pollution existing, you can blame them for intentionally suppressing the ability of people to mitigate it and improve air quality.

EDIT: accidentally a word.

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Post by bluGill »

willcipriano wrote: post #247
bluGill wrote: post #202

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The US clearly choose to lose all wars lost though. The military was doing just fine, but the people back home got sick of the efforts.

When the participation trophy generation grows up and becomes generals you'll hear things like, we would've won that war if it wasn't for all that attrition!

What attrition? While deaths were not zero they were very low.

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Post by triceratops »

fragmede wrote: post #168
M95D wrote: post #160

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Ever heard of a stock-price led company that "went back to being an engineering and manufacturing led company"?

Depends on how deeply you know the story of GE, which was an engineering company, became a financial services company, and now is back to engineering.

I think GP meant went back successfully. Whether today's GE will ultimately be successful remains to be seen.

Re: Boeing workers vote to strike

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Post by diggan »

mlindner wrote: post #214

They're voting to strike right as the new CEO gets in? That's kind of the worst time possible to improve the situation at Boeing. All you're doing is creating an antagonistic environment with your boss. So dumb.

Imagine thinking that people should stop thinking of their own best because it might create "an antagonistic environment"...

How about making the conditions good enough for employees so they don't have to strike to get some basic benefits and OK salary for performed work?

If the executive team doesn't want to people to be comfortable at their work, it feels a bit unfair to put "creating an antagonistic environment" on the employees.

Re: Boeing workers vote to strike

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Post by willcipriano »

bluGill wrote: post #252
willcipriano wrote: post #247

Earlier quoted context omitted.

When the participation trophy generation grows up and becomes generals you'll hear things like, we would've won that war if it wasn't for all that attrition!

What attrition? While deaths were not zero they were very low.

Roughly 2.2 trillion on the credit card for Afghanistan alone. That's without the interest that will be paid on it. Your grandkids children will be paying for that war.

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Post by benhurmarcel »

Rinzler89 wrote: post #248
mricordeau wrote: post #206

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Yes but Toulouse is way cheaper than any Tier 1 city in the US and you have to include insurance/health, school cost in the US (I'm from Toulouse and living in the US for more than 10 years). If you make 250k/year in Tier 1 city in the US it's probably as good as making 80k/year in Toulouse.

Don't Boeing engineers also get insurance and 401k from their employer? Plus, they'd have to learn french also. France is not very accommodating to non French speaking foreigners. Trying to get around in life with just English there outside of Paris is not easy.

There are quite a few employees in Toulouse that don't speak French, the company is very international. That being said I agree that daily life is much easier if you speak at least a little bit.

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Post by chimeracoder »

mprovost wrote: post #50
blackeyeblitzar wrote: post #20

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Unions aren't a monopoly they're a democracy. After a democratic vote, the minority has to accept what the majority wants. Yes, sometimes voters make poor choices. New workers know about the union before they join. You don't move to a new state and refuse to pay taxes because you didn't vote for them. Once you're there you get to vote in the next election. America is a democracy and you don't have to revert to feudal…

> Unions aren't a monopoly they're a democracy. After a democratic vote, the minority has to accept what the majority wants.

OP is repeating a lot of anti-union propaganda, but this one point is true, which is evident if you look at how unions in other countries work.

In many European companies, it's commonplace for workers in the same company to have a choice of which union to represent them, so two different workers may be represented by two different unions. That's essentially unheard-of in the US, where unions almost exclusively claim majority representation.

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Post by kwhitefoot »

teytra wrote: post #139
kwhitefoot wrote: post #116

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> Foreigners certainly don't want our cars (outside of maybe tesla in the nordics, The Nordics are not all the same, Norway is far ahead (20% of private cars already full EVs) of the rest with Denmark a distant second when it comes to electrification of transport. But also the Tesla Model Y was the best selling car in the WORLD in the last twelve months, not just Norway. Of course quite a few of those were built outs…

Norway is special. 94.3% of new cars sold last month were electric cars. Actually, in the private marked it was 96.7% ! Links to info (in Norwegian) - https://elbil.no/vi-kan-klare-hundre-prosent/ - https://ofv.no/aktuelt/2024/nybilsalget-i-august-h%C3%B8yest...

> Norway is special

I know, I live there. Been driving electric since 2017.

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Post by dralley »

blackeyeblitzar wrote: post #32
NotACop182 wrote: post #22

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Maybe had the company not prioritized greed and instead invested in itself they wouldn’t be in this mess. Don’t blame the workers for this and a company that depends so heavily on the government to keep it afloat shouldn’t be allowed to buyback stocks. Unions in a good place because Boeing isn’t going anywhere. Mismanagement allowed the greedy management to cash out already why not the workers.

I see this repeated often - blame placed entirely on management and not the workers. Why do you believe that? Do you honestly believe that they have not contributed at least partially to the decline of Boeing? That union protectionism has not affected productivity? That hostile bargaining and strikes hadn’t hurt their finances? Accusing the company of prioritizing greed and blaming the boogeyman of management sounds…

Management's constant attempts to undermine the union by firing people, outsourcing, moving entire factories and so forth have been more harmful than anything the union has done.

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Post by harimau777 »

fragmede wrote: post #168
M95D wrote: post #160

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Ever heard of a stock-price led company that "went back to being an engineering and manufacturing led company"?

Depends on how deeply you know the story of GE, which was an engineering company, became a financial services company, and now is back to engineering.

Do you have any more information on that? I worked for GE in the past and would like to do so again; however, I'd avoided them because it seemed like they'd been run into the ground.
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