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Post by throwitaway1123 »

rkagerer wrote: post #193
paxys wrote: post #82

Smaller notch? Touch ID? Better battery life? Faster charging? Larger default storage? Nope, let's skip all that and spend most of the event talking about video recording. Is anyone here actually excited about the features they just announced? Or are people simply upgrading because they get the latest iPhone every year or two by default?

> Touch ID? I missed the memo - I thought Touch ID was abandoned in favor of Face ID? Did they bring it back on the latest models? Can you use it again instead of Face ID, and is it as instant as it was on the older Apple phones?

The rest of the industry seems to be moving towards under-screen ultrasonic fingerprint readers, which if Apple adopted, would allow them to shrink the notch by getting rid of the Face ID sensors. I think they've dug in their heels on Face ID though, so it likely won't happen (although they did reverse course on Force Touch, so anything is possible).

They likely won't end up reducing the size of the notch any further until they figure out how to either make Face ID work with just a single selfie camera (which would inevitably be less secure), or put the sensors under some sort of semi-transparent display.

Many people thought they missed an opportunity by not simply putting the fingerprint sensor under the Apple logo on the back of the iPhone, but they probably didn't like the UX of that solution.

Re: iPhone 16 Pro and iPhone 16 Pro Max

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Post by hsbauauvhabzb »

DidYaWipe wrote: post #227
panarky wrote: post #158

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"Insanely good ideas"? With the months of nonstop and over-the-top hype of "Apple Intelligence" these all seem underwhelming. Even in the idealized world of demoware there's no killer feature, not to mention that none of it is even available to real customers yet. I was expecting something only Apple could do with their vast ecosystem of IP and partnerships, the must-have cool new thing that would stimulate a leap in…

Like what? People have been whining "where's the innovation" for years about phones, totally ignoring the fact that this is a mature product category. Where's the innovation in word processors? At this point, we're often talking about regression. Apple removed the audio output from its best-selling music player. It removed TouchID. It removed the SIM slot. You know what would be "innovative?" Making a goddamned phone…

The moment you think a portable electronic system is a mature product category is the moment you become ‘old guard’.

Edit: and currently, that looks to be you and the entire iPhone engineering team

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Post by coder543 »

flowerlad wrote: post #136

All I want is for Apple to fix speech recognition in iMessage. Not sure if that’s in this release. They demo’d AI text review and rewrite but not LLM speech recognition. I currently use ChatGPT for it’s accurate speech recognition then copy/paste into iMessage.

In my experience, iOS 18 makes it better, but no, it is still not as good as Whisper Large, which is what OpenAI uses behind the scenes.

You can run smaller Whisper models on your phone through various third party apps, and those options work well too. (Trying to run Whisper Large even on the iPhone 15 Pro Max is asking too much… it works, but only barely.)

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Post by lyall »

dylan604 wrote: post #234
saurik wrote: post #97

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Do people have to "upgrade" constantly? Shouldn't the iPhone get at least a little bit better every year, even if no one "upgrades"? I often use my devices for years until they break in some way, and then I get a new one... is it really so wrong that the 2024 model is only better in ways you don't care about from the 2023 model?

They mentioned giving up to $800-$1000 for trade in for an iPhone 12 or newer. That's pretty aggressive on a device that's $999-$1199 list. It sounds like they are really wanting people to upgrade to this device.

It's "Up to $800" for an "iPhone 12 or newer". You won't get more than $200 for trading in an iPhone 12. The max value is reserved for the newest and highest end phones, i.e. 15 Pro Max.

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Post by Mainsail »

ricardobeat wrote: post #211
panarky wrote: post #158

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"Insanely good ideas"? With the months of nonstop and over-the-top hype of "Apple Intelligence" these all seem underwhelming. Even in the idealized world of demoware there's no killer feature, not to mention that none of it is even available to real customers yet. I was expecting something only Apple could do with their vast ecosystem of IP and partnerships, the must-have cool new thing that would stimulate a leap in…

I think you're seriously underestimating the impact of actually-useful and reliable AI features at your fingertips. This is what everyone imagined computers would be, since I don't know... the 80s?

Your comment reminded me of the Apple Knowledge Navigator.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=umJsITGzXd0

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Post by macintux »

saurik wrote: post #97
paxys wrote: post #82

Smaller notch? Touch ID? Better battery life? Faster charging? Larger default storage? Nope, let's skip all that and spend most of the event talking about video recording. Is anyone here actually excited about the features they just announced? Or are people simply upgrading because they get the latest iPhone every year or two by default?

Do people have to "upgrade" constantly? Shouldn't the iPhone get at least a little bit better every year, even if no one "upgrades"? I often use my devices for years until they break in some way, and then I get a new one... is it really so wrong that the 2024 model is only better in ways you don't care about from the 2023 model?

If the iPhone was radically better every single year, people would be complaining about e-waste instead.

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Post by gffrd »

panarky wrote: post #158
swyx wrote: post #113

i clipped the 5 mins on apple intelligence here for those interested https://x.com/swyx/status/1833231875537850659 notes: - photos/album search now includes video understanding, which imo seems very good from the first 2 examples they showed. includes scroll to exact time of the moment you describe. - Mail and Notifications will show summaries instead of str[:x] - Siri now knows iPhone, becomes the ultimate manual on…

"Insanely good ideas"? With the months of nonstop and over-the-top hype of "Apple Intelligence" these all seem underwhelming. Even in the idealized world of demoware there's no killer feature, not to mention that none of it is even available to real customers yet. I was expecting something only Apple could do with their vast ecosystem of IP and partnerships, the must-have cool new thing that would stimulate a leap in…

> there's no killer feature

You know when you go to a restaurant and the menu is like 3 different cuisines, it's 12 pages, and each page has 20+ items?

The Intelligence section of the presentation felt a bit like that.

Generally, I was surprised how lightly Intelligence featured into the keynote: it wasn't a standalone talking point, nothing on the Apple site talks to it directly. It's conspicuous, given that they've dedicated hardware real estate to it ... and the hype cycle.

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Post by iteratethis »

I'm conflicted.

It's absolutely stunning what smartphones can do these days and Apple makes an excellent product. It feels ungrateful and cynical to keep calling new models "boring".

The reality though is that normie needs were accomplished several generations ago. I'll use my girlfriend as a sample of such user.

She can't tell the difference between LCD and OLED nor would she notice Pro-motion.

You can add a million features to the camera app but she opens it and presses the shutter. Her only awareness of features is when she accidentally enables one and doesn't know how to get back.

You could set her back 8 iOS versions and she probably wouldn't notice. Because she uses none of the hundreds of features released since. Not because she dislikes them, she doesn't know they even exist.

All the spectacular advances in computing power are lost on her as this makes zero difference for the Facebook cat video group and Pinterest.

You might assume my girlfriend is perhaps lowly educated or just not tech savvy. Wrong, she's highly educated, even works in IT, although not in an engineering role. It's not that she's unable to understand the advances, she simply doesn't care.

It's becoming ever harder to justify new models for normies. Pretty much they buy the new one when the battery of their current one runs bad, typically every 3-4 years.

I think this is also why Apple put many Pro features into the regular model. Most people don't buy the pro and they're desperate for selling points in the regular model.

If the iPhone would have true user-swappable batteries, their business would collapse.

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Post by laweijfmvo »

swyx wrote: post #113

i clipped the 5 mins on apple intelligence here for those interested https://x.com/swyx/status/1833231875537850659 notes: - photos/album search now includes video understanding, which imo seems very good from the first 2 examples they showed. includes scroll to exact time of the moment you describe. - Mail and Notifications will show summaries instead of str[:x] - Siri now knows iPhone, becomes the ultimate manual on…

Anything that's going to recommend Apple TV shows (or any other product) to me is an automatic turn-off. I'll keep all of Siri off if I have to.

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Post by sunnybeetroot »

laweijfmvo wrote: post #24

So did they just give up on Blood-Oxygen sensing on the Watch? Thought it might be a good time to update my Watch 6 (black titanium) to a 10, since they brought back the black titanium, but they just have no answer for the blood-oxygen lawsuit?

I’m on the 9 and have blood oxygen sensor, are they removing it in the 10?
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