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Artificial intelligence is losing hype

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Re: Artificial intelligence is losing hype

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Post by Loughla »

sakopov wrote: post #244
_acco wrote: post #207

AI (specifically Claude Sonnet via Cursor) has completely transformed my workflow. It's changed my job description as a programmer. (And I've been doing this for 13y – no greenhorn!) This wasn't the case with GPT-4/o. This capability is very new. When I spoke to a colleague at Microsoft about these changes, they were floored. Microsoft has made themselves synonymous with AI, yet their company is barely even leveragin…

I think my general perception is that AI is a great assistant for some occupations like software engineering, but due to its large room for error it's very impractical for majority of business applications that require accuracy. I'm seeing this trend at my company, which operates in the medical field and recently mandated that all engineers use CoPilot. At the same time it's a struggle to see where we can improve our…

It's useful for analyzing data, but only if it can be verified. We use it (higher education) to glance at data trends that may need further exploration. So it's a fancy pivot table, I guess.

Most software vendors are selling their version of AI as hallucination free though. So that's terrifying.

Re: Artificial intelligence is losing hype

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Post by synergy20 »

pembrook wrote: post #217
_acco wrote: post #207

AI (specifically Claude Sonnet via Cursor) has completely transformed my workflow. It's changed my job description as a programmer. (And I've been doing this for 13y – no greenhorn!) This wasn't the case with GPT-4/o. This capability is very new. When I spoke to a colleague at Microsoft about these changes, they were floored. Microsoft has made themselves synonymous with AI, yet their company is barely even leveragin…

I see so many people hyping Claude Sonnet + Cursor on Twitter/X, yet in real world usage, I find it no better than GitHub Copilot (presumably GPT 4o) + VScode. Cursor offers some super marginal UX improvements over the latter (being that it’s a fork of VScode), since it allows you to switch models. But Claude and GPT have been interchangeable at least for my workflows, so I’m not sure the hype is really deserved. I c…

Copilot user here, never tried Cursor yet, competition is always good.

did a quick check, it's $20/month, and it has a vim plugin: https://github.com/pasky/claude.vim

going to give it a spin

Re: Artificial intelligence is losing hype

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Post by JeremyNT »

greenthrow wrote: post #233
_acco wrote: post #207

AI (specifically Claude Sonnet via Cursor) has completely transformed my workflow. It's changed my job description as a programmer. (And I've been doing this for 13y – no greenhorn!) This wasn't the case with GPT-4/o. This capability is very new. When I spoke to a colleague at Microsoft about these changes, they were floored. Microsoft has made themselves synonymous with AI, yet their company is barely even leveragin…

Software engineer for multiple decades here. None of the AI assistants have made any major change to my job. They are useful tools when it's time to write code like many useful tools before them. But the hard work of being a senior+ software engineer comes before you start typing.

They help me most when using a framework, API, or language I'm not super familiar with. Beats stack overflow for that stuff.

But it's weird to me seeing people talk about these changing their jobs so much. Maybe I'm holding it wrong but I'm almost always bottlenecked by "big picture" challenges and less on the act of actually typing the code.

Re: Artificial intelligence is losing hype

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Post by margorczynski »

j-a-a-p wrote: post #211
b_be_building wrote: post #205

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I have been using Chat-GPT has a full time expert and I can unequivocally tell you that its a transformative piece of technology. The technology isn't hyped.

I agree as this is also my personal experience. But I also see the usage of ChatGPT is falling down fast from 1.8 billion visitors to 260 million last month [1]. I am probably through some ETF an investor in MS, so I do hope the openai API usage is showing a more stable and upward trend. [1]: https://explodingtopics.com/blog/chatgpt-users

Well ChatGPT is no longer the top dog and there's quite a bit of competition in the space. Including Llama 3.1 which is free. In general I think most of the moat that OpenAI had has evaporated in the last few months, but also for other LLM companies.

Not sure how they plan on making money in the long-term, eventually the investors and shareholders will start asking when they will be seeing the returns on their investment.

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Post by fragmede »

seoulmetro wrote: post #250
edanm wrote: post #148

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> This means you are sure we are close to automated driving [...] We already have "automated driving" in some sense. Some cities have fully autonomous taxi services that have operated for a year or more, iirc.

Nah. We're still not that close. Think of it this way, you turn on an appliance at home and it's what, a 0.0001% chance it will explode in your face? Now automated driving, hospitality etc is all more like a 0.1+% chance something goes wrong still. Huge difference. I don't really take those taxis as a form of solved automation. It's a nice step though.

Why don't robotaxis count?

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Post by greenthrow »

ChaitanyaSai wrote: post #52

I've trained as a neuroscientist and written a book about consciousness. I've worked in machine learning and built products for over 20 years and now use AI a fair bit in the ed-tech work we do. So I've seen how the field has progressed and also have been able to look at it from a perspective most AI/engineering people don't -- what does this artificial intelligence look like when compared to biological intelligence.…

You sound like you don't actually understand anything about LLMs and are buying into the hype. They are not cognizant let alone conscious. They don't understand anything. The tokens could be patterns of colored shapes with no actual meaning, only statistical distributions and nothing about how the LLMs work would change.

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Post by greenthrow »

spacemanspiff01 wrote: post #93
randcraw wrote: post #83

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I've worked in AI for the past 30 years and have seen enthusiasm as robust as yours go bust before. Just because some kinds of narrow AI have done extraordinarily well -- namely those tasks that recognize patterns using connections between FSMs -- does not mean that same mechanisms will continue to scale up to human-level cognition, much less exceed it any time soon. The breakthroughs where deep AI have excelled -- o…

So I am a neophite in this area, but my thesis for why "this time is different" compared to previous AI bubbles is that this time there exist a bunch of clear products (or paths to products) that work and only require what is currently available in terms of technology. Coding assistants today are useful, image generation is useful, speach recognition/generation is useful. All of these can support businesses, even in…

There were products and "path to products" too. Once the hype died down nobody wanted them. It is the same this time.

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Post by layer8 »

ChaitanyaSai wrote: post #52

I've trained as a neuroscientist and written a book about consciousness. I've worked in machine learning and built products for over 20 years and now use AI a fair bit in the ed-tech work we do. So I've seen how the field has progressed and also have been able to look at it from a perspective most AI/engineering people don't -- what does this artificial intelligence look like when compared to biological intelligence.…

We don’t know what the next big leap will bring and when it will happen. The occurrence of a singular previous big leap cannot serve as any reliable predictor.

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Post by bamboozled »

JeremyNT wrote: post #253
greenthrow wrote: post #233

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Software engineer for multiple decades here. None of the AI assistants have made any major change to my job. They are useful tools when it's time to write code like many useful tools before them. But the hard work of being a senior+ software engineer comes before you start typing.

They help me most when using a framework, API, or language I'm not super familiar with. Beats stack overflow for that stuff. But it's weird to me seeing people talk about these changing their jobs so much. Maybe I'm holding it wrong but I'm almost always bottlenecked by "big picture" challenges and less on the act of actually typing the code.

My GH copilot kept recommending incorrect things when I use it along side common libraries and frameworks, I don't know, I just don't really find it very useful.
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