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New Apple Macbook Pro RAM is soldered to the motherboard | Ian Chilton

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Post by gouranga »

WiseWeasel wrote: post #238
brockhand wrote: post #185

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I hear this comparison often but to me the big difference lies in the order of magnitude of cost difference. A $2,200 laptop is different than a $30,000 car for a few reasons. The largest is probably the difference in purchasing behavior. I might save up for a few weeks to buy a laptop. I might have a car note for a few years. To me that makes all of the difference. I think people should educate themselves on the pro…

Not to mention that unlike cars, Apple laptops maintain their value surprisingly well. After two years, you can probably still get at least half what you paid out of it.

Well you could until they released this model...

Re: New Apple Macbook Pro RAM is soldered to the motherboard | Ian Chilton

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Post by yuhong »

masklinn wrote: post #93
jman1 wrote: post #19

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More and more os x and the Mac "platform" is moving towards a becoming a crystal prison. They are still the undisputed leader when it comes to quality hardware. But locking down the os and hardware is not going to he good in the long run. I knew this was. I in that's why I got the 17 inch mbp in feb. figured I can have it last for a few more years as can upgrade the ram an hdd to a ssd giving it more life. If the os…

> But locking down the os and hardware is not going to he good in the long run. You do realize all the "new" limitations of the MBP come straight from the MBA right? And that the MBA's been a raging success?

But the price is different. Much different.

Re: New Apple Macbook Pro RAM is soldered to the motherboard | Ian Chilton

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Post by gouranga »

elderberry wrote: post #46
its_so_on wrote: post #11

The real news is that they could shave as much of the macbook off as they actually did. Did you see the video? The screen display is now 'attached directly' to the unibody with no 'glass layer'. What does that even mean? Whatever it means, it's obviously not user-serviceable. I was amazed at how much they got off the macbook in size and weight - EDIT: everywhere, off the whole machine - and they're idiots for not put…

Does the thinness of your computer really matter?

No, unless you carry it around a lot, at which point durability is more important than thinness resulting in thinness not being important.

So ultimately, no it's not regardless of the use case.

Re: New Apple Macbook Pro RAM is soldered to the motherboard | Ian Chilton

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Post by gouranga »

da_n wrote: post #246
gouranga wrote: post #84

Sorry but you have got to be a fucking idiot to buy one to be honest if that is the case. Apple are making an attempt to turn generic computers into disposable appliances with moves like these. I would never accept a compromise like that with a computer that I owned. My rationale is as follows: If I pay £1800 for one of those machines, I expect to be able to repair common problems easily. That's a lot of money sittin…

"Sorry but you have got to be a fucking idiot to buy one to be honest if that is the case." This is just technology marching on, it is cutting edge engineering and manufacturing and Apple care is next to none in the industry. To call a person buying this a fucking idiot is akin to an old timer smacking down the youngsters about modern TV's because you can no longer swap out the valve tubes.

I disagree. It's medicre crap wrapped in a pretty wrapper.

The thing with modern TV's is that they don't need RAM upgrades, don't have any user-fillable storage built in and have external power supplies.

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Post by defen »

gouranga wrote: post #140
Hates_ wrote: post #132

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When was the last time you replaced anything yourself in your TV/Car/Other high priced item? If non-user serviceable parts are a consequence of ever increasing technology, then I'll happily accept that.

I'm the wrong person to ask that question to. I repair everything from clothes, through computers, through cars to televisions. There need to be more wrong people to ask that question to.

Congratulations. You represent .01% of Apple's target market. Why should they cater to your needs? You seem to be getting angry that someone is making a product which is not compelling for you.

Re: New Apple Macbook Pro RAM is soldered to the motherboard | Ian Chilton

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Post by bbwharris »

super_mario wrote: post #229
bbwharris wrote: post #187

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Serious computing? Like gaming? Last I checked typing text files and compiling them is more serious than most users and doesn't require massive clusters to accomplish.

If Apple gets their way, typing text and compiling it to code and running it on your appliance will become illegal. How often do you run custom code on your other appliances? Exactly. There will simply be no expectation of running custom code on a "computer" once it is turned into an appliance. Look at iPad. It's more powerful than PCs of the 90s yet no one even expects to run their custom code on it. This is where M…

Seriously doubt it, but if that happens most of us will go back to Linux.

Re: New Apple Macbook Pro RAM is soldered to the motherboard | Ian Chilton

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Post by nicholassmith »

Here's my plan for the future:

- I gave up non-Mac machines as I had no interest in replacing components and fiddling with hardware, so it being non-replaceable is fine for me. Sell it on eBay as spares/repairs, someone will be able to fix it. - Continue using the most 'general computing' laptops Apple make, which for me is the MBA. It handles all the general dev work I need to do. - Have a couple of cheap VPS' that have more computing capacity than I need on a general basis handy. Offsite the work there.

I'm happy buying one because the way of the future is going to be almost the way of the past in my eyes. Sweet workstations that can handle the bulk of my daily digital needs, and big heavy stuff I can connect to happily that I don't need to do anything beyond pressing the shiny 'upgrade' button when I need to.

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Post by Anderkent »

bbwharris wrote: post #256
super_mario wrote: post #229

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If Apple gets their way, typing text and compiling it to code and running it on your appliance will become illegal. How often do you run custom code on your other appliances? Exactly. There will simply be no expectation of running custom code on a "computer" once it is turned into an appliance. Look at iPad. It's more powerful than PCs of the 90s yet no one even expects to run their custom code on it. This is where M…

Seriously doubt it, but if that happens most of us will go back to Linux.

Not if Apple starts selling macs with secure boot permanently enabled. Which I wouldn't be very surprised about.

Re: New Apple Macbook Pro RAM is soldered to the motherboard | Ian Chilton

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Post by travisp »

kamaal wrote: post #200
idspispopd wrote: post #182

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You're having an argument with a bunch of InstantExperts™ who are clearly motivated by other sources or tied to luddite ideologies. They're more interested in presenting Apple as an evil empire because this fits their personal objectives. Since the overwhelming bulk of computer users(including pro users) have no interest in fiddling with their computer specs post purchase, Apple are simply making a product that fits…

>>Since the overwhelming bulk of computer users(including pro users) have no interest in fiddling with their computer specs post purchase, Apple are simply making a product that fits the market. No one here is saying we tear down our laptops and assemble them back three times a day. But if something like a RAM gets toast on my machine, I would like to get that replaced instead of replacing the whole machine. Why, you…

You don't have to throw away your car over a small amount of damage (unless it is the frame), but you might have to replace a thousand plus dollar component the size of a macbook.

Re: New Apple Macbook Pro RAM is soldered to the motherboard | Ian Chilton

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Post by travisp »

kamaal wrote: post #200
idspispopd wrote: post #182

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You're having an argument with a bunch of InstantExperts™ who are clearly motivated by other sources or tied to luddite ideologies. They're more interested in presenting Apple as an evil empire because this fits their personal objectives. Since the overwhelming bulk of computer users(including pro users) have no interest in fiddling with their computer specs post purchase, Apple are simply making a product that fits…

>>Since the overwhelming bulk of computer users(including pro users) have no interest in fiddling with their computer specs post purchase, Apple are simply making a product that fits the market. No one here is saying we tear down our laptops and assemble them back three times a day. But if something like a RAM gets toast on my machine, I would like to get that replaced instead of replacing the whole machine. Why, you…

You don't have to throw away your car over a small amount of damage (unless it is the frame), but you might have to replace a thousand plus dollar component the size of a macbook.
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