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10% of Cubans left Cuba between 2022 and 2023

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Re: 10% of Cubans left Cuba between 2022 and 2023

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Post by guille_ »

dakiol wrote: post #234
gottorf wrote: post #201

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> I'm not concerned about the crime You may not be concerned about the crime, but many voters are. The author of the article you linked to also exhorts the Somali immigrant community to not engage in crime. > because that seems like a somewhat higher tendency until the 2nd and 3rd generation is able to make it into established society. History and data from various European nations suggest that some immigrant groups…

> It is not desirable to have separate ethnic groups who "share the same language, culture and faith" distinct from the mainstream. Why not? Mainstreams are temporary. The Romans shifted from pagans to christians in just a decade (officially speaking). The German speaking region of Belgium was annexed in the 1900s (now the country has 3 different official languages). The whole latin america started speaking Spanish l…

Not every culture can integrate, not every culture is a step "forward". Also, your examples are quite weak 1. Paganism was not doing too well by the time Christianity became official. 2. Belgium is a joke country (sorry!) that still has a divided population based on the language they speak. Hardly a success case. 3. Americans speaking Spanish also resulted in losing native languages and cultures. It might be okay to accept it, but the implications in your case are obvious, and it definitely would deserve a fair bit of debate whether we're okay with that. 4. Right, because the Reconquista was famously a period of peace and prosperity...

If these are the arguments FOR massive immigration then don't be surprised the vast majority of the public is against it.

Re: 10% of Cubans left Cuba between 2022 and 2023

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Post by rubytubido »

dakiol wrote: post #247
wkat4242 wrote: post #11

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Why does the US still have sanctions on them anyway? The missile crisis was 50 years ago. It's time to forgive.

Why did the US drop 2 nuclear bombs on Japan? Why the US is keeping Israel as their toy? Why the US entered the Vietnam war (hint: no, not to avoid the spread of communism). US is the bad boy of this planet, just because they can.

But they did it to protect the planet. We need to enforce "democracy" and spread capitalism.

Re: 10% of Cubans left Cuba between 2022 and 2023

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Post by mrbombastic »

dakiol wrote: post #234
gottorf wrote: post #201

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I'm not concerned about the crime You may not be concerned about the crime, but many voters are. The author of the article you linked to also exhorts the Somali immigrant community to not engage in crime. > because that seems like a somewhat higher tendency until the 2nd and 3rd generation is able to make it into established society. History and data from various European nations suggest that some immigrant groups…

> It is not desirable to have separate ethnic groups who "share the same language, culture and faith" distinct from the mainstream. Why not? Mainstreams are temporary. The Romans shifted from pagans to christians in just a decade (officially speaking). The German speaking region of Belgium was annexed in the 1900s (now the country has 3 different official languages). The whole latin america started speaking Spanish l…

How do you define better if there is no mainstream culture?

Re: 10% of Cubans left Cuba between 2022 and 2023

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Post by yieldcrv »

amanaplanacanal wrote: post #229
mensetmanusman wrote: post #214

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Republicans are strongly anti-illegal immigration, and that appears anti-immigration to some.

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that's not my interpretation, the opposition party votes as a bloc against everything until they aren't the opposition party any more. democrats do that too. neither party can pass a filibuster in the senate so it doesn't matter, it isn't about any party position.

republicans support setting H1B visas at the same standard it was created for in 1991.

I support that. I support linking the standards of minimum compensation to inflation or some automatically moving metric. we already have several higher criteria work visas, H1B's is just the most popular.

republicans support our education visas turning into residency or work visas more seamlessly.

I support that.

the party doesn't support the empathy arguments for people that are here without a visa. I think something more holistic should be considered than mass deportation.

Its important to add nuance. We have many categories of immigration and many populations. As well as a porous mismanaged border.

Re: 10% of Cubans left Cuba between 2022 and 2023

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Post by aegis4244 »

pton_xd wrote: post #172
labrador wrote: post #107

I support immigration and oppose the Republican anti-immigrant platform because it seems to me there is significant brain drain from many countries to the U.S. and that contributes to our success. For example, in this article is about white collar crime, it points out that many Somali-Americans were professionals back in Somalia. I'm not concerned about the crime because that seems like a somewhat higher tendency unt…

> the Republican anti-immigrant platform because it seems to me there is significant brain drain from many countries to the U.S. and that contributes to our success. Explain how unskilled illegal immigrants contribute to our success. I'm open minded but I've yet to hear anything convincing. No one is opposed to the legal immigration of skilled workers.

Economists say every immigrant is a net economic positive to the nation. They eat,buy food clothing, cars. Every immigrant child is a net negative to the state,at least until they turn 18. But it isn't even. Net neg per kid of maybe 800 a year, positive of each adult of 1200-1600 are the numbers I've heard on freakonomics podcast. Their guests proposed solution was to have the feds pay the states per an immigrant child to offset who bears the costs. I don't think it's even a debatable position that each immigrant is a net economic positive, in the long term. Some political groups worrying about losing their culture is a completely different kettle of fish.

https://www.bushcenter.org/catalyst/north-american-century/b...

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Post by selfmodruntime »

labrador wrote: post #107

I support immigration and oppose the Republican anti-immigrant platform because it seems to me there is significant brain drain from many countries to the U.S. and that contributes to our success. For example, in this article is about white collar crime, it points out that many Somali-Americans were professionals back in Somalia. I'm not concerned about the crime because that seems like a somewhat higher tendency unt…

> it seems to me there is significant brain drain from many countries to the U.S. and that contributes to our success

This enables wage suppression

Re: 10% of Cubans left Cuba between 2022 and 2023

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Post by [deleted] »

jorvi wrote: post #222
vundercind wrote: post #27

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A bunch of Floridians who are, or are descended from, folks who had their land and businesses seized during the revolution are holding grudges and won’t let go of them until they’re given their stuff back or a ton of money, which, this far on, isn’t happening. Florida is important in Presidential elections. US elections are structured such that dumb stuff like a relatively small—but loud—and also hopeless interest in…

> US elections are structured such that dumb stuff like a relatively small—but loud—and also hopeless interest I can tell you, not just the US. See: farmers having an absolute chokehold on the EU despite virtually everyone hating them, and them only being a tiny percentage of population, votes or GDP.

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Re: 10% of Cubans left Cuba between 2022 and 2023

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Post by energy123 »

zozbot234 wrote: post #189
torpfactory wrote: post #183

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There’s a very sizable number of low paying, dirty, dangerous, and/or boring jobs that we can’t find enough locals to do. Think farm hands, home care aides, meat processors, etc. Unskilled immigrants do those jobs because that’s what is available to them (I.e unskilled). If they weren’t doing those jobs, we’d have to pay significantly more for the goods and services that labor depends on. Immigrant labor is disinflat…

These jobs are low-paying because they're broadly unproductive. If some of them weren't doing these jobs, the wages paid for them at the margin would increase. We are vastly better off importing more skilled immigrants to high-income countries, compared to unskilled ones.

That's an economically illiterate comment. You're confusing scarcity of labor, which determines price, with the utility that that labor generates.

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Post by rubytubido »

sremani wrote: post #171
wkat4242 wrote: post #11

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Why does the US still have sanctions on them anyway? The missile crisis was 50 years ago. It's time to forgive.

A hostile regime 90 miles from US mainland will be treated differently. Cuba is not some vanilla leftist regime that has no love for America. Cuban intelligence and elite for the past 50 years have been active subverting US interests. A unilateral withdrawal of sanctions would mean rewarding bad behavior. Do not let the small size of Cuba underestimate them, they are behind all major anti-American activity in Latin A…

> A unilateral withdrawal of sanctions would mean rewarding bad behavior.

Do something horrible to your neighbour - be surprised that he doesn't keep good behaviour torwards you.

Re: 10% of Cubans left Cuba between 2022 and 2023

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Post by selfmodruntime »

apsec112 wrote: post #241
mensetmanusman wrote: post #214

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Republicans are strongly anti-illegal immigration, and that appears anti-immigration to some.

Trump supported a plan to reduce legal immigration by half: https://www.nytimes.com/2017/08/02/us/politics/trump-immigra...

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