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Panic at the Job Market

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Post by sharpshadow »

lifestyleguru wrote: post #98
bell-cot wrote: post #69

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I have many friends (in Europe) who are trying to get through to different jobs in unrelated industries ranging from... With recent trends - have any of them applied to armaments manufacturers or munitions plants?

In post-Communist countries the defense industry is rock solid corruption and nepotism, mostly they assemble things on foreign licenses. In developed countries like Italy, France, Germany, Sweden defense industry don't hire foreigners and also nepotism, and even there the engineering jobs are meh. Basically there is no defense industry boom. There might be some drone related interesting things happening in Ukraine it…

Turkiye build themselves a strong and advanced drone industry.

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Post by electromech »

kredd wrote: post #64

It really sucks right now, but recent grads and juniors are suffering the most right now, to my understanding. There's an over-production of CS grads, as the industry looked very lucrative, so a lot of people decided to go software engineering route. It's hard to make a case for start ups to bet on inexperienced people. For mature companies, why pay for 2 juniors, when you can get a senior for 1.5 price, who might do…

> why pay for 2 juniors, when you can get a senior for 1.5 price

That's how it used to be. Now it's more like, "pull the job posting altogether and make your existing seniors work harder because they know they don't have options."

I've had multiple positions that I applied/interviewed for get pulled, and at least two of my friends said the same is happening at their employers -- in one case a team of 5 is now a team of 2, running a critical service for an airline. :yikes:

So, I agree that it sucks for new grads, and it's maybe worse than you think.

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Post by irrational »

I read through this, but I still don't know how the company I work for fits into it. I am a programmer for a Fortune 100 company, but none of the stable company descriptions seem to match my company. Certainly not in terms of compensation. $5,000-$10,000 per day? By my calculation, I make about $800 per work day and don't have any stock options or that kind of stuff. So, the pay (apparently) isn't great, but it is stable and had great benefits (in terms of health insurance, paid time off, etc.)

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Post by codr7 »

A4ET8a8uTh0 wrote: post #34
evrimoztamur wrote: post #23

I will add my two cents for people who believe that this might be related only to the SWE and tangent industries: It's really not. I have many friends (in Europe) who are trying to get through to different jobs in unrelated industries ranging from finance to fashion, or just trying to get promoted vertically (or horizontally), failing rather miserably. Most jobs are now hoops after hoops, not taking into consideratio…

Brave new world man. I am lucky I am where I am, but I am wondering how far away from the axe I currently stand. They need me now.. because we are in the midst of high stakes project, but later..

Feel that, tech leading a high risk startup atm; better to get used to the feeling, it's all temporary and no one really gives a shit about you.

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Post by tra3 »

beacon294 wrote: post #131
evrimoztamur wrote: post #23

I will add my two cents for people who believe that this might be related only to the SWE and tangent industries: It's really not. I have many friends (in Europe) who are trying to get through to different jobs in unrelated industries ranging from finance to fashion, or just trying to get promoted vertically (or horizontally), failing rather miserably. Most jobs are now hoops after hoops, not taking into consideratio…

What is your workflow to consume this via llm?

Worked with chatgpt:

> You're my buddy that I've known for a while. You're pretty straightforward, no bullshit kinda guy. Can you summarize this for me real quick: https://matt.sh/panic-at-the-job-market

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Post by photonthug »

noashavit wrote: post #85
65 wrote: post #81

It seems the author purposely tried to make this article as long as humanly possible. That's not going to make me want to read it more or think you, the author, are very smart because you write a lot of words. Edit your blog post down to a few hundred words and then I'll read it.

Yeah looks like they were hoping that if they maximize the word count they will automatically "win" SEO.

Manager: so what’s the problem? Dev: ..explains the problem.. Manager: use English idiot Dev: no work right, I fix, u go now k?

Yeah it’s a long read and could do with summary. But then again even the length can itself be seen as a response to lose-lose aspects of corporate culture. Anything you don’t mention in that PowerPoint is just an opportunity for someone to tear you down with FUD, bike shedding, or simple ignorance. But keep it short so everyone gets a chance to take a shot. Every design doc should be a slide deck and every deck a design doc, every tweet a blog and every blog a tweet! Gotta make sure it’s effortless for the loyal opposition

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Post by quasse »

cjbgkagh wrote: post #89

This is what crushing of the middle class looks like, the Tech Market is no longer the safe harbor it used to be. This is also what demand destruction looks like. Mathematically we will end up with some sort of wealth tax but that just means it’s in the government’s interest to continue exasperating wealth inequality. A wealth tax won’t save the middle class, it’s more likely to be another nail in the coffin. At leas…

> At least now I no longer have to argue with ‘inflation is good for us’ people.

Who has been arguing this?

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Post by codr7 »

ajkjk wrote: post #190
caesil wrote: post #53

>According to all the interviews I’ve failed over the years (I don’t think I’ve ever passed an actual “coding interview” anywhere?), the entire goal of tech hiring is just finding people in the 100 to 115 midwit block then outright rejecting everybody else as too much of an unknown risk. As a (now) senior/staff-level engineer back out on the job market for the first time in a while, I'm begrudgingly coming to accept…

Imo, there are two kinds of programmers: people who can write code to build stuff, and people who can write code to build stuff and are also conversationally fluent in the theory behind writing code. The second group is 5x more useful than the first, and coding interviews are testing which group you're in. Often the first group doesn't think the extra skill of fluency is important, which is fine, think what you want,…

Agreed, but the question is how to reliably test for those skills, any freaking desperate idiot could have managed the interviews I've been through.

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EFreethought wrote: post #153
voiceblue wrote: post #79

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It’s because they are writing for the masses. What happened to professional writing? This: “When The Wealth of Nations was first published in March 1776 David Hume wrote to his old friend in terms of the greatest praise, while qualifying his hopes by remarking that ‘the reading of it necessarily requires so much attention, and the public is disposed to give so little, that I shall still doubt for some time of its bei…

A lot of writing from that era strikes me as convoluted. I wonder what English teachers today think of it.

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