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MacBook Pro gets Retina Display; MacBook Air updated with Ivy Bridge

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Re: MacBook Pro gets Retina Display; MacBook Air updated with Ivy Bridge

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Post by trimbo »

listic wrote: post #243
xiaoma wrote: post #139

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I too was windows/nix only until joining a start-up in Beijing that was doing iOS work. It amazes me how quickly I adjusted to Mac OS and after only a year I find it frustrating every time I have to go back to windows. Having just moved to San Francisco myself, I find it nice suddenly being in the majority. Edit: Oh, and as soon as I have a job, I'm getting one! I've been drooling over Ivy Bridge specs for months.

What's so great about Ivy bridge specs? I'm underwhelmed because electrical economy failed to materialize.

The new intel graphics are much better for gaming without going to discrete graphics.

http://www.notebookcheck.net/Intel-HD-Graphics-4000-Benchmar...

Re: MacBook Pro gets Retina Display; MacBook Air updated with Ivy Bridge

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Post by tomkarlo »

SiVal wrote: post #214
calinet6 wrote: post #78

Earlier quoted context omitted.

IMHO Apple fanboyism is not a problem in the hacker community. It's a well-built solid metal portable development workstation. With BSD UNIX. And a pretty layer on top. Among programmers, I never need to explain why we would buy these things. It's outside the programming groups that the conversation gets hostile. I find most programmers avoid this completely, knowing that they're simply using the best tool available…

If things keep going the way they're going, Apple fanboyism will become less and less of a problem among hackers. Apple appears to be in a gradual transition process from MacOS computers to iOS "Don't worry, just watch the pretty pictures, and we'll tell you which PAY button to press" devices. Windows, not wanting to be left behind selling computers instead of devices (Yuck! Computers! That's SO 20th century), is mak…

From the sales charts, it seems this is what the customers want, too. For some reason folks like to believe that Apple is somehow "fooling" customers into buying that experience. What if it's simply what non-developers want? Isn't that a simpler explanation?

Re: MacBook Pro gets Retina Display; MacBook Air updated with Ivy Bridge

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Post by weiran »

listic wrote: post #237

Is anyone doing thorough reviews for Apple products? With technical details such as component specs (CPU/SSD/display), real world battery life testing and so on. Did all Macbooks get Ivy Bridge update or not?

Anandtech is good if you want the nitty gritty detail.

Re: MacBook Pro gets Retina Display; MacBook Air updated with Ivy Bridge

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Post by ChrisLTD »

donniezazen wrote: post #239
natural219 wrote: post #8

I have been a Windows user my whole life. As a hacker who has recently moved to San Francisco, I've continuously battled Apple fanboys and Linux fanatics alike on why I love Windows and absolutely do not understand why people want to switch platforms. Then I watched this keynote. I'm buying a Macbook Pro.

I do not own any apple products because they are outrageously expensive. Why do I think I should buy Macbook Air? Because laptop should be that light and thin. Why I use Linux? It's dead simple. A single command or a simple script can make system management and other tasks so straight forward and no brainier. I have total control on what I want on my system. Of course their is a learning curve but that's the main rea…

iOS devices are best in class, or near the top at their price point. Apple laptops and desktops are pricey (although I would argue not outrageously so, especially if you're using them for work), but lower priced alternatives sacrifice a lot in terms of fit & finish.

Re: MacBook Pro gets Retina Display; MacBook Air updated with Ivy Bridge

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Post by [deleted] »

SiVal wrote: post #214
calinet6 wrote: post #78

Earlier quoted context omitted.

IMHO Apple fanboyism is not a problem in the hacker community. It's a well-built solid metal portable development workstation. With BSD UNIX. And a pretty layer on top. Among programmers, I never need to explain why we would buy these things. It's outside the programming groups that the conversation gets hostile. I find most programmers avoid this completely, knowing that they're simply using the best tool available…

If things keep going the way they're going, Apple fanboyism will become less and less of a problem among hackers. Apple appears to be in a gradual transition process from MacOS computers to iOS "Don't worry, just watch the pretty pictures, and we'll tell you which PAY button to press" devices. Windows, not wanting to be left behind selling computers instead of devices (Yuck! Computers! That's SO 20th century), is mak…

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Re: MacBook Pro gets Retina Display; MacBook Air updated with Ivy Bridge

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Post by ascendant »

SiVal wrote: post #214
calinet6 wrote: post #78

Earlier quoted context omitted.

IMHO Apple fanboyism is not a problem in the hacker community. It's a well-built solid metal portable development workstation. With BSD UNIX. And a pretty layer on top. Among programmers, I never need to explain why we would buy these things. It's outside the programming groups that the conversation gets hostile. I find most programmers avoid this completely, knowing that they're simply using the best tool available…

If things keep going the way they're going, Apple fanboyism will become less and less of a problem among hackers. Apple appears to be in a gradual transition process from MacOS computers to iOS "Don't worry, just watch the pretty pictures, and we'll tell you which PAY button to press" devices. Windows, not wanting to be left behind selling computers instead of devices (Yuck! Computers! That's SO 20th century), is mak…

Linux + webapps will be the only way to combat the locked-down, run-only-what-we-allow-and-give-us-30% mentality eventually. iOS has proven that regular customers can have their computing freedom trampled on as long as you give them pretty buttons to press while it's happening. Insert other assorted not-far-off-doomsday-conspiracies-here.

Re: MacBook Pro gets Retina Display; MacBook Air updated with Ivy Bridge

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Post by jerf »

tomkarlo wrote: post #252
SiVal wrote: post #214

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If things keep going the way they're going, Apple fanboyism will become less and less of a problem among hackers. Apple appears to be in a gradual transition process from MacOS computers to iOS "Don't worry, just watch the pretty pictures, and we'll tell you which PAY button to press" devices. Windows, not wanting to be left behind selling computers instead of devices (Yuck! Computers! That's SO 20th century), is mak…

From the sales charts, it seems this is what the customers want, too. For some reason folks like to believe that Apple is somehow "fooling" customers into buying that experience. What if it's simply what non-developers want? Isn't that a simpler explanation?

The objection is that this isn't mutually exclusive. You can provide all the niceties, and make it so that there are still ways in to the simplified UI so that a nine-year-old can set out on their own and learn things about how the machine works. The companies are using this paradigm shift as an excuse to lock us in a box, they are not locking us in a box because the tech or the experience is only available if they do so.

They're eating the seed corn, but they don't really care since they won't feel the effect for 15 years or more. I personally don't care much either, unless they manage to fully legislate their locked boxes as the only option... which they are trying to do whenever we aren't looking, by the way, the most recent being with Microsoft locking out other OSes on their ARM boxes.

Re: MacBook Pro gets Retina Display; MacBook Air updated with Ivy Bridge

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Post by listic »

trimbo wrote: post #251
listic wrote: post #243

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What's so great about Ivy bridge specs? I'm underwhelmed because electrical economy failed to materialize.

The new intel graphics are much better for gaming without going to discrete graphics. http://www.notebookcheck.net/Intel-HD-Graphics-4000-Benchmar...

Yes, that's for sure. It's just unclear if I need any of those improvements except for games (which I'd happily sacrifice on my laptop).
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