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Ladybird Web Browser becomes a non-profit with $1M from GitHub Founder

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Re: Ladybird Web Browser becomes a non-profit with $1M from GitHub Founder

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Post by freedomben »

awesomekling wrote: post #5

Hello friends, Ladybird founder here! Here's a short video from Chris Wanstrath announcing our non-profit yesterday, and kicking things off with a $1M donation: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k9edTqPMX_k Happy to answer questions :)

Are you working full time on this now? How many people are working on it and about how much time per week are they able to do? Is this expected to hold steady or do expect changes over the coming weeks, months, or years?

Not trying to pry into your personal lives, just wondering because there's a lot of meaningful information behind the answers to those questions.

Re: Ladybird Web Browser becomes a non-profit with $1M from GitHub Founder

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Post by Oxodao »

awesomekling wrote: post #210
Oxodao wrote: post #186

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What's your point of view about quirks as you can find in other browsers and how do you plan to handle websites that rely on unintended browser behavior ?

These days, all major browsers are taking interoperability very seriously. There’s even efforts like the annual “Interop 202x” where people vote on which interop bugs browsers should focus on fixing. We benefit greatly from this of course, and we will do what we can to contribute when we’re mature enough! That said, there will always be websites relying on bugs, and for that we will need a way to selectively emulate…

Thanks! Good luck with your project, this single-handedly gave me back faith in the modern web when I found out a few month ago about the progress you guys made since I last saw it

Re: Ladybird Web Browser becomes a non-profit with $1M from GitHub Founder

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Post by silotis »

neocritter wrote: post #49
vaylian wrote: post #34

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I think that's too pessimistic. The code is there and it can be used to push the project forward. If some part of it is not good enough, then an alternative implementation can be created (potentially in a different language)

A classic: https://www.joelonsoftware.com/2000/04/06/things-you-should-... >> "The idea that new code is better than old is patently absurd. Old code has been used. It has been tested. Lots of bugs have been found, and they’ve been fixed. There’s nothing wrong with it. It doesn’t acquire bugs just by sitting around on your hard drive." >> "Each of these bugs took weeks of real-world usage before they were found. The…

It's a good point in general, but in this case it's not clear if the cost of re-writing the existing codebase is less than the cost of staying with a memory-unsafe language.

We know from past experience that it takes an extreme amount of time and effort to harden a browser written in C++ against malicious web content. The Ladybird codebase is not particularly "old" in any sense of the word. Judging by Github's stats most of the code is less than 4 years old and it is still a long ways from being ready for general use. I think it's safe to say Ladybird still has a vast amount of work to be done fixing vulnerabilities that arise from lack of memory safety.

I find it quite plausible that the cost of re-writing the existing code in Rust is less than the cost of fixing all of the current and future bugs in the C++ codebase that Rust would catch at compile time.

Re: Ladybird Web Browser becomes a non-profit with $1M from GitHub Founder

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Post by beretguy »

bayindirh wrote: post #243
paddim8 wrote: post #232

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Well maybe they're ok with that? They want browser diversity. Getting Microsoft to use a new engine is better for diversity than if they just used chromium like now.

Getting Microsoft to use a new engine and contribute back to the original repository is better for diversity, but forking and running away with it is certainly not.

> Getting Microsoft to use a new engine and contribute back to the original repository is better for diversity

Oh no no no. We don't need microsoft contributing anything into this. They will mess up everything and push their agenda.

Re: Ladybird Web Browser becomes a non-profit with $1M from GitHub Founder

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Post by lucky13 »

fouc wrote: post #164
Sammi wrote: post #91

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I sorry to say this, but the new visual style is completely charmless. The most important thing a non-profit oss project needs is a charming visual style. A ladybird for instance is an extremely charming little bug, and it was such a strong choice. This new style is a huge step back compared to it.

there is no bug called ladybird, you mean ladybug..

Ladybird is British English, ladybug is American English.

Re: Ladybird Web Browser becomes a non-profit with $1M from GitHub Founder

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Post by beretguy »

bradley_taunt wrote: post #230

Love the project, but that website is pretty cold and soulless (as mentioned by others). I quickly put together a "cleaner" design for anyone interested, which also uses the original (and objectively better) logo: https://ladybird-dev.netlify.app/

I love this version SO MUCH BETTER. Clean, easy to read and I don't have to scroll down for half an hour to get to the bottom. I hate "modern design", whatever it is. To much padding, to much useless css and styles.

Re: Ladybird Web Browser becomes a non-profit with $1M from GitHub Founder

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Post by vaylian »

efilife wrote: post #209
xandrius wrote: post #137

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And still written in C++, like c'mon, we are in 2024.

What would be a better option?

The obvious answer is Rust. But I respect their choice of using an existing and probably well-tested C++ code base as a starting point.

Re: Ladybird Web Browser becomes a non-profit with $1M from GitHub Founder

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Post by awesomekling »

freedomben wrote: post #251
awesomekling wrote: post #5

Hello friends, Ladybird founder here! Here's a short video from Chris Wanstrath announcing our non-profit yesterday, and kicking things off with a $1M donation: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k9edTqPMX_k Happy to answer questions :)

Are you working full time on this now? How many people are working on it and about how much time per week are they able to do? Is this expected to hold steady or do expect changes over the coming weeks, months, or years? Not trying to pry into your personal lives, just wondering because there's a lot of meaningful information behind the answers to those questions.

Yes! I'm already working on it full time, along with 3 employees. In the next month, we are bringing on 3 more.

Given the limitations of our funding model, we won't be building a huge team, but rather a small team that allows us to maintain a runway of at least 1.5 years. :)

Re: Ladybird Web Browser becomes a non-profit with $1M from GitHub Founder

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Post by aAaaArrRgH »

bradley_taunt wrote: post #230

Love the project, but that website is pretty cold and soulless (as mentioned by others). I quickly put together a "cleaner" design for anyone interested, which also uses the original (and objectively better) logo: https://ladybird-dev.netlify.app/

Hard disagree. If you're a fan of the strictly functional "what's CSS?" look, you might as well stick to viewing README.md on GitHub and call it a day.

Re: Ladybird Web Browser becomes a non-profit with $1M from GitHub Founder

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Post by awesomekling »

dailykoder wrote: post #219
awesomekling wrote: post #5

Hello friends, Ladybird founder here! Here's a short video from Chris Wanstrath announcing our non-profit yesterday, and kicking things off with a $1M donation: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k9edTqPMX_k Happy to answer questions :)

Will it block ads are have the ability to run extensions to do so? I can't use modern web without an ad blocker

We will absolutely have the ability to block ads. The web is downright unpleasant without this feature!
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