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Windows 11 is now enabling OneDrive folder backup without asking permission

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Re: Windows 11 is now enabling OneDrive folder backup without asking permission

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Post by DaoVeles »

blackeyeblitzar wrote: post #137
slavik81 wrote: post #75

Tech companies in general seem to struggle with consent. Even when they bother to ask, they often refuse to take "no" for an answer, only offering "maybe later."

> Tech companies in general seem to struggle with consent. This is why Louis Rossman started describing these behaviors as a “rapist mentality” of tech companies. It’s a violation of consent, an exploitation of their anti-competitive size (yes just their size is inherently a problem that distorts the market).

Louis is spot on with the description.

While he was no saint, this was something Steve Jobs emphasized - Let the people know about it and make the decision themselves. Many would probably be happy to do it but don't just force it.

Re: Windows 11 is now enabling OneDrive folder backup without asking permission

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Post by TheRoque »

doublerabbit wrote: post #106
bee_rider wrote: post #93

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Hacks that require going to into a CLI are just not accessible to non-technical people. Switch to something user friendly like Linux. At least Gnome only gets screwed up once every decade or so.

> Switch to something user friendly like Linux. The same applies; are just not accessible to non-technical people.

The hardest thing is really just creating the media and booting on the key. Once that's done, it's smooth sailing for most user-friendly distro. I swear, I've had my parents install Linux on 50 computers for their school, and they are really non technical.

Re: Windows 11 is now enabling OneDrive folder backup without asking permission

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Post by _DeadFred_ »

cjk2 wrote: post #16

Why the hell aren't the EU and the FTC suing the shit out of them for bundling, telemetry, lock in, gouging, shitty defaults?

Because people just complain on the internet and don't report these things. The FTC works off of reported incidents. File a report:

https://reportfraud.ftc.gov/

Re: Windows 11 is now enabling OneDrive folder backup without asking permission

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Post by bsuvc »

tomrod wrote: post #139
suby wrote: post #101

This happened to me. I was wondering why my internet speeds were slow when I discovered that Microsoft was in the process of uploading my users directory, they had already uploaded almost two gigs when I realized. They also changed the path to these directories to something like C:\Users\name\OneDrive\Desktop\. Another poster in this thread claimed it's easy to reverse -- I disagree, it's a pain in the ass to track d…

Perhaps time for me to leave VS Code. I have suitable replacements for everything else MSoft. The plug-ins ecosystem is helpful, but what the heck!

If open source is not a requirement, Jetbrains IDEs are very good.

Re: Windows 11 is now enabling OneDrive folder backup without asking permission

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Post by freedomben »

suby wrote: post #143
gear54rus wrote: post #122

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Did you login with ms account? if so, why? I don't think it can upload if you aren't logged in.

They go out of their way to make this difficult. I tried disconnecting my internet while installing, but they're apparently wise to that because the option which internet articles claim is there is no longer there. I think there's probably a console dropdown you can bring up when installing to get a local account, but I've decided against fighting the OS. It's so user hostile that it's not worth it to try to turn it…

Luckly I've been installing into a VM, so I can delete the network interface entirely. That seems to get it.

But yeah, I only use it for some horrible hardware that absolutely will not run on WINE and has proprietary drivers. The day my wife gives up crafts, will be a day of celebration.

Re: Windows 11 is now enabling OneDrive folder backup without asking permission

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Post by ziddoap »

freedomben wrote: post #246
ziddoap wrote: post #176

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"Very difficult" is a bit of an exaggeration. Don't connect to the internet, press 1 hotkey and enter 1 line of text ("OOBE\bypassnro"). While it's absolutely stupid that it needs to be done at all, it's not "very difficult".

> Don't connect to the internet, press 1 hotkey and enter 1 line of text ("OOBE\bypassnro"). I've been a Linux user for decades through some dark days and some "hard" distros, and I would call that "very difficult". Part of the difficulty is knowing what you don't know, and that absolutely qualifies.

"windows 11 local account" in Google has this bypass in the first result. I Googled things when I setup various Linux distros as well, and I didn't consider that to be very difficult.

For a tech forum, I'm surprised at these responses. I have to Google shit all the time, including "can I do X in Y". I guess I'm the one out of touch, sorry.

Re: Windows 11 is now enabling OneDrive folder backup without asking permission

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Post by Kim_Bruning »

squarefoot wrote: post #206
Kim_Bruning wrote: post #194

Isn't it illegal to copy documents off of a system without permission in many jurisdictions?

Unless that permission is buried somewhere in the EULA every user must accept before installation.

https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/UseTerms/Retail/Windows/11/U...

Clause 3. may seem to permit it, but the privacy statement it refers to at

https://privacy.microsoft.com/en-us/privacystatement

states "When we ask you to provide personal data, you can decline."

In this case the way it is described, there was no request for the personal data, and no opportunity to decline.

I think you'd need a lawyer to look at it further.

Re: Windows 11 is now enabling OneDrive folder backup without asking permission

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Post by freedomben »

TheRoque wrote: post #242

Once I have my (now ex) girlfriend at home, and she wanted to check her email. So she used my computer to login on Outlook and just do her thing for work. Little did I know that logging to Outlook actually added some new account on my computer (for the same windows User), and it started to sync all the stuff from my ex's workplace. Fast forward 1 month later, we broke up, and I was still seeing her stuff popping on m…

See any documents titled "My Revenge Plan against TheRogue.docx" ?

Re: Windows 11 is now enabling OneDrive folder backup without asking permission

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Post by freedomben »

cjk2 wrote: post #16

Why the hell aren't the EU and the FTC suing the shit out of them for bundling, telemetry, lock in, gouging, shitty defaults?

I suspect that is coming. At least MS isn't preventing you from running any third party stuff you want to run.
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