Only to be enabled by default by the IT department of your mistrusting employer. Microsoft better remove Recall altogether if they want to avoid costly lawsuits.
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Re: Microsoft will switch off Recall by default after security backlash
#252What makes my blood boil is that they are just going to keep pulling shit like this which they KNOW everyone (with zero exceptions) intensely HATES, and it's up to everyone to push back ferociously (very high threshold) every damn time. It's up there with "not now" instead of "get rekt and never ask me again" choices in terms of user-antagonism. I'm aware that other OSes exist, but I happen to hate Windows least on t…
> I'm aware that other OSes exist, but I happen to hate Windows least on the whole :/ Have you given Linux a try? Unless you have an Nvidia card or an Adobe workflow; it is usually good. The Nvidia issue may go away in a year.
Yeah, a few times. Got burned very early on installing Slackware from about 10 billion stiffie disks, and have kept up reasonable effort to be a responsible nerd and keep trying it, but every time there's some roadblock; when I was younger gaming was one example, being an MSVC dev has been a constant throughout, and yeah the ordeal with drivers is also more or less a constant.
I'm an OpenCL guy, not even using CUDA, and have had a decent enough experience with AMD's drivers, but that wasn't enough. I still think MSVC, again with all its flaws, is the best C++ IDE (I've similarly tried them all, repeatedly over decades).
Re: Microsoft will switch off Recall by default after security backlash
#253In all the MS Recall drama, I've yet to hear or read one single person utter something to the effect of "Wow - great!!! - I've been waiting for something like this for years! This will solve at least one of the major issues I face regularly!". In fact, it seems to me the only people that really want this feature are the ones trying to push it down everyones collective throat. Why is MS pushing something so hard when…
I've heard Microsoft wants to do away with on-device Windows entirely for consumer devices, and go with a "dumb client" form factor that is always connected to a remote Windows server. I'm not sure who at the org is pushing for this as it would essentially hand the PC games market to SteamOS. I suppose they saw how well it's worked for enterprise customers that essentially already use a Windows VM through Citrix or s…
> I'm not sure who at the org is pushing for this as it would essentially hand the PC games market to SteamOS.
PC games can already be played on a remote server, using services like Stadia, so it would not necessarily hand the PC games market to local Linux-based devices running SteamOS (like the Steam Deck).
Re: Microsoft will switch off Recall by default after security backlash
#254Recall got recalled(ba dum tss).
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#255Earlier quoted context omitted.
Your browsing history is unlikely to contain personal information, secrets, porn images etc. And if you use Chrome, they get your full browsing history by default. I get your point, but Microsoft's Recall can capture anything onscreen - emails, personal info, porn, passwords and the like. And it feels, bizarrely for 2024, that little thought has gone into privacy or security.
> And it feels, bizarrely for 2024, that little thought has gone into privacy or security. No, no. They thought about the privacy and security aspect. They decided that it's better for their bottom line if Windows users don't have privacy from the mother ship. Really, they already decided that way back when Windows Vista first came out and periodically asked Microsoft HQ if you should continue being allowed to use yo…
I mean, you can't even install Windows 10 without it telling you several times that unless you opt out (again and again), it's going to send just about anything you do to Microsoft…
Re: Microsoft will switch off Recall by default after security backlash
#256In all the MS Recall drama, I've yet to hear or read one single person utter something to the effect of "Wow - great!!! - I've been waiting for something like this for years! This will solve at least one of the major issues I face regularly!". In fact, it seems to me the only people that really want this feature are the ones trying to push it down everyones collective throat. Why is MS pushing something so hard when…
> In all the MS Recall drama, I've yet to hear or read one single person utter something to the effect of "Wow - great!!! - I've been waiting for something like this for years! This will solve at least one of the major issues I face regularly!". There were definitely some comments in a previous HN post about it that attempted defend it and to paint everyone else as overreacting. Several of them even said that they th…
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#257It's interesting to compare this to the Chrome/Safari/Edge browsing history, which is stored in an unencrypted SQLite database, and tracks what you do for the last 90 days. It's just a bit less visual, Incognito/Private modes work, and some users clear it more often. But a whole lot of the surveillance attacks people imagine about Recall apply just the same to the browser. I think it's the "little brother" casual att…
1. Browsing history doesn't show what the user is doing on the page. There is a big difference between logging "user visited his e-banking app", and logging his actual credentials as they are entered.
2. Browsing history watches one app. Screenshots watch everything across the entire OS.
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#258Earlier quoted context omitted.
> that little thought has gone into privacy or security. I think the thought is proportional to the amount of thought a non-tech customer will put into it. Nobody seems to care about or understands privacy these days. Everyone knows they're being tracked everywhere they go physically and on the web. People use their real names, address, etc for every junk service they sign up for, without seeing any reason not to. If…
> I think the thought is proportional to the amount of thought a non-tech customer will put into it. Part of me wonders if this is the consequence of how accessible tech has become, and the prevalence of increasingly non-technical product managers. I'm a former PM, and I'm not here to denigrate the PM role, but the fact that a product like Recall got shipped says a lot about the makeup of the product org that shipped…
I think it’s a good point - these are still privacy issues, and being fatigued with the impossibility of defending privacy is indication of a power imbalance, not an acceptable default for humanity.
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#259Earlier quoted context omitted.
You’re missing the point. An attacker can only see the passwords in your Recall database if they have root, but if they have root there are (and always have been) a thousand other ways they can get your passwords. There is no new attack vector being introduced by Recall.
It is possible to access to Recall database without admin access. https://x.com/GossiTheDog/status/1798832390070276500
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#260Maybe a bit off-topic, but I sure wish they'd do this for OneDrive! I installed Windows for personal use for the first time recently (although I use it exclusively at work) and it drove me ABSOLUTELY BONKERS that my home drive was mapping to C:\Users\atribecalledqst\OneDrive.
What I hated the most was that the File Explorer just calls the folders in there e.g. "Documents" and "Pictures" without showing the full path. So it was hard to figure out just where in the file system you were looking -- a major annoyance if you do any work in the command-line!
Even after switching OneDrive off and doing as much as I can to try and get rid of the OneDrive folder structure, I haven't been completely successful. You can make some -- but not all -- home folders (like Downloads, Documents, etc.) point directly to their place in the local user folder, but others, particularly Pictures, don't seem to be movable. Additionally, some programs still seem to want to use the OneDrive folder by default, like I think Office programs still do their best to use them.
In the grand scheme of things it's a small annoyance but god it annoys the shit out of me! I didn't ask for cloud backup and it drives me nuts they tried to force it on me!