Actually Ladybird had its own separate repo before merging with SerenityOS monorepo: https://github.com/SerenityOS/ladybird, so now it's like reverting it.
I'm forking Ladybird and stepping down as SerenityOS BDFL
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#252Ladybird looks amazing and is moving quickly. Without the linkage to SerenityOS, I even feel like looking at the source and seeing if I can get a handle on what's going on. Looks like the idea of writing a new browser engine, or of forking Firefox, wasn't an absurdly impossible thing that would require billions of dollars. If this inspires somebody to take up that charge again, or to pick up Servo from the table, tha…
> [...] pick up Servo from the table, that would be wonderful too. I would love to see a servo-based browser in near future!
There is already a prototype of Servo browser in Qt: https://www.kdab.com/embedding-servo-in-qt/
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#253Earlier quoted context omitted.
> [...] pick up Servo from the table, that would be wonderful too. I would love to see a servo-based browser in near future!
I think it would be interesting to understand why Servo seems to have moved so slow compared to Ladybird. I suspect Ladybird’s success has a lot to do with Andreas himself.
Actually Servo development has accelerated greatly since 2023: https://github.com/servo/servo/graphs/contributors
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#254Ladybird has garnered a level of mainstream attention that SerenityOS never really managed to. The browser has the potential to impact many more people, and the project is well funded by large investors. It makes sense that Andreas would shift his focus to LadyBird at this point. While Safari is busy being Safari and Firefox is busy eating glue in the corner, I'd love to see LadyBird become a real contender in the br…
Yeah I agree. Would be nice to see a browser option that is not 20+ years old. People say it’s not doable but this here is a real opportunity.
There are also: Servo, Netsurf, Ekioh Flow.
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#255I never got to try SerenityOS due to the developer's bizarre insistence that users compile the OS instead of just providing a precompiled ISO or IMG file. Shame because I appreciated the workhorse 9x aesthetics it had.
There are prebuilt images: https://serenity-builds.halves.dev/
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#256Earlier quoted context omitted.
Having watched this over years, and deleted every single comment I've written on it thus far, I'm challenging myself to be honest and forthright. There's another way of looking at, that is confirmed by the same set of facts: - There was an OS project run by an awesome dude with a great story that was seen as in a unique position to compete with big tech companies. - It needed a web browser. - A web browser project wa…
What unique position does this browser have? in the nicest way, truly nobody cares, both are pet projects
That's not the nicest way, nor is it the most honest or accurate. I actually do care (and I know I'm not the only one) and even find myself firing up ladybird from time to time. It's probably more accurate to say "few" people care, and caring comes in degrees. Just in case it needs to be said: popularity isn't necessarily a great measurement of salience either.
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#257I fully respect these reasons, they are logical and well said. But hopefully interest in SerenityOS doesn't taper off due to this. Kling was great at garnering interest with his YouTube videos where he'd go deep into bug fixing and feature development. Certainly, the browser has the most potential and even immediate necessity for the sake of the open Web, but I would still like to daily drive SerenityOS some day. Its…
Oh yes, a MacOS like design but open with Unix, that would be amazing!
There are: ravynOS and helloSystem.
Re: I'm forking Ladybird and stepping down as SerenityOS BDFL
#258Would you finally consider publishing nightly binaries? With SerenjtyOS you always had the "build it yourself" approach which was probably meant to only attract technical users.
There are no known binaries, although there is an AUR package for Arch Linux: https://aur.archlinux.org/packages/ladybird-git
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Not really sure how Discord is popular, given it is impossible to search.
It's popular because anyone can create their own community with just a few clicks, and it's all paid for by friendly venture capitalists :]
There are free/open source alternatives: Revolt, Spacebar, Element.
Re: I'm forking Ladybird and stepping down as SerenityOS BDFL
#260Ladybird has garnered a level of mainstream attention that SerenityOS never really managed to. The browser has the potential to impact many more people, and the project is well funded by large investors. It makes sense that Andreas would shift his focus to LadyBird at this point. While Safari is busy being Safari and Firefox is busy eating glue in the corner, I'd love to see LadyBird become a real contender in the br…
> I'd love to see LadyBird become a real contender in the browser market.
Definitely Ladybird, but I'd also love to see Servo and Netsurf being developed.