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I keep thinking HN has become Reddit, but as Reddit keeps declining it’s possible that both are declining proportionally at the same rate for the same reasons.
Ex-OpenAI board member reveals what led to Sam Altman's brief ousting
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#252Kind of ironic that people are jumping in here to defend Sam Altman on the message board of Y Combinator, which also fired him from an executive leadership role for similar reasons.
Also ironic people jumping to attack Altman from every negative article about him without knowing all the details and the contexts
The man has enough money to take care of his own, and he isnt.
It's a bad look.
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The null CEO has a lot of value. If you could guarantee someone would be the null CEO, they'd be an instant hire for many enterprises. What you have to avoid is someone worse than the null CEO holding the position. I think Altman is worse than the null CEO; others may draw their own conclusions, but the bar for CEO quality isn't "much better than the null CEO".
> If you could guarantee someone would be the null CEO, they'd be an instant hire for many enterprises. That sounds like an easy bar for an LLM. I, for one, welcome our new LLM CEOs.
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Sure glad markets solved that and we no longer have ambitious people in charge of countries starting wars.
You’re absolutely right we shouldn’t celebrate that a maniac hasn’t engulfed Europe in war since 1945. This is an incredible feat for anyone with an elementary understanding of history. We’re at the longest period of time that a unified Germany hasn’t started a war. Obviously there are still authoritarians seeking control and starting wars, but they tend not to exist where free markets do. Apologies if that’s inconve…
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You… have heard of Ukraine haven’t you?
Putin, a former officer in the KGB, is a product of the planned Soviet economy. Read red state by bill browder, the Russian economy was never a free market even after the collapse of the Soviet Union.
Was the current genocide in Palestine the fault of Communism also? Was 9/11 and the invasion of Iraq, communism?
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Employees are not replacable like that. Almost the entire company was threatening to quit. If it was possible to simply replace all of openAI, then you could just do that now, as an outside party. So the boards choice was to either bring back Sam or watch the entire company go under.
> Almost the entire company was threatening to quit. This is the part that perplexes me. A CEO being fired is not an unusual occurrence. What about Sam Altman led such a huge number of employees to threaten to follow him out the door? Was it that the board's actions were viewed as internally unjust? Was it Altman's power of persuasion? Was/is Altman viewed by the staff as bringing something irreplaceable to the table…
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I keep thinking HN has become Reddit, but as Reddit keeps declining it’s possible that both are declining proportionally at the same rate for the same reasons.
It could be an influx of people who were more active on Reddit and have looked for greener pastures recently. Or we as a community are evolving into a position where puns and memes are completely acceptable, and even get upvoted.
That said, moving the two existing arrows much further apart is even more important. :P
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> What if you realize that the board is wrong? It is wise to be exceedingly cautious when deploying ends-justifies-the-means logic. Most of the time, history doesn’t remember those who employ it too fondly.
What are the exact statistics on this?
I'm particularly curious if you've done a meta-analysis on what you choose to analysis or not, and what the fundamental basis is for determining fitness for your values and actions (e.g. what does a healthy society and healthy person look like to you and how do you statistically justify this position?).
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#259What is still bizarre is how the board brought him back. I just don't understand that from any angle. It is very clear that he lied and schemed. So why was there any issue? He had no power once fired. If another company wants to hire him, fine. If he wants to make platitudes on Twitter, who cares? Employees threatened to leave? Let them. I imagine many of them wouldn't, and if they did, you could just rehire and find…
You had the answer there before you dismissed it -- the board agreed to bring Sam Altman back before resigning because of massive pressure campaign that involved 90%+ of employees threatening to resign, and Microsoft (which has OpenAI's IP rights) offering to hire them all immediately. This included the company's key leadership. The organization was unraveling overnight. This was far past the tipping point of "a few…
Instead, they did not even attempt to communicate any rationale behind their actions.
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Then you tell them so, in a meeting with all board members present, and argue your position in good faith. You don't lie to them. You certainly don't scheme behind the back of a board member you don't agree with to try to get them fired.
And if you realize there's no way to convince them that they are wrong? But it's a matter of survival of the entire universe?