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Post by highcountess »

yardstick wrote: post #171
constantcrying wrote: post #115

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I have never seen a good looking graffiti which was defacing public property. Granted, I have seen competent images which obviously were commissioned by building owners. All of it was bad art though and immensely displeasing.

Have you seen any Banksy? Do you consider his work graffiti? Most of his work is graffiti’d onto public property without permission. https://www.artsy.net/artist/banksy

Of course it’s graffiti and it’s still imposing on others against their will, regardless of whether it’s peak narcissist Banksy or someone else. Is very much about transgression and imposition and sadistic domination for personalities like Banksy and graffiti artists in general; it’s precisely why they put their “art” in other people’s things against their will.

So if I graffiti your car because I believe it improves your car; would that be ok with you? It’s art. You should be happy, right?

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Post by latentcall »

highcountess wrote: post #240
oaiey wrote: post #113

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Unfortunately, life is not black and white. Even without knowing anything about graffiti culture, there is a border between defacing and improving. And graffiti artists are moving over that border back and forth. Some of the most beautiful art I have seen are graffiti

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Your reply is way out of whack compared to that persons comment. You seem to have taken it quite personally which I find strange but interesting.

Also please refrain from name calling, it isn’t in the spirit of this site.

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Post by wiseowise »

helboi4 wrote: post #243
Moldoteck wrote: post #203

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majority of ppl voted for some party, a party that gave consent to place/allow billboards, so indirectly, you gave consent. In the graffity's case - even the ruling party didn't gave consent, it's that they don't have resources to penalize and clean this mess

That implies that there was a party available that would ban billboards. There isn't, so graffiti is a way of actually taking back agency over our public spaces by underrepresented counterculture. Deal with it.

> Deal with it.

Incentivizing violence? Bold strategy.

Re: Deutsche Bahn introduces "MetaWindow"

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Post by wiseowise »

andersa wrote: post #6
lqet wrote: post #4

> a transparent noise barrier Most rail noise barriers in Germany are completely covered in graffiti [0], so I wouldn't expect them to remain transparent for more than a few weeks. [0] https://ga.de/imgs/93/8/5/9/3/0/9/1/9/tok_8596521c60eeaa53ee...

That's because the current ones are all ugly metal walls. Painting stuff on them makes it at least slightly less depressing.

No, it doesn't. Before it was a plain metal wall, now it's ugly metal wall with idiotic tags on it.

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Post by mejutoco »

constantcrying wrote: post #104
umpalumpaaa wrote: post #9

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If you dive into the graffiti scene a bit you will start to appreciate all those graffitis. The story behind some of them is super interesting. There is a lot of "competition", "collaboration", and group dynamics involved. It is truly fascinating. I was living in Cologne (Ehrenfeld) for a while in a place with awesome graffiti and every weekend there were people taking pictures "collecting" and documenting the graffi…

There is exactly nothing about defacing public infrastructure which elicits the tiniest spark of "admiration" or "interest" in me. If you want to live out your "artistic ambitions" do it somewhere away from public property.

I found an example of graffiti that both sides of this conversation can agree on.

As always, reality has some nuance, and we need to be careful about assumptions.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reverse_graffiti

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Post by kalaksi »

helboi4 wrote: post #237
microtonal wrote: post #184

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Most so-called ‘pleasing’ cities are full of advertisement pollution. If I have to choose one of them, I’d choose art over advertising. I wish people would be as much against advertising as they are against graffiti.

Fr. Its so wierd for me when people get super mad about graffiti like they own any of these walls and could choose what was on them. If the graffiti wasn't there it would just be an ad, but I guess we're okay with that because consumerism is good because the our overlords tell us to like it.

Most graffitis I've seen are on empty walls or buildings with no ads. Brick wall looks way better without them. And to me it looks more like it's the graffiti maker that thinks that they own the wall and can choose what should be on it.

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Post by helboi4 »

wiseowise wrote: post #254
helboi4 wrote: post #243

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That implies that there was a party available that would ban billboards. There isn't, so graffiti is a way of actually taking back agency over our public spaces by underrepresented counterculture. Deal with it.

> Deal with it. Incentivizing violence? Bold strategy.

Painting a wall is not violence. That is an extremely pro-authoritarian, hyper-capitalist viewpoint that is useful for the state and the property-owning ruling classes to enforce their rule. It has no basis in fact. Painting a wall does zero harm. If you own a massive building that is not your home, you can afford to paint over it. You don't need to though, because it is used by members of the public, not you, so it's actually meaningless to you. It's not the same as if graffiti artists painted over the front of your house as a middle class person. So there is no reason for you to be mad for uber-rich people who do not care about you. Walls that are used by the public should be owned by the public, and by that logic we all have the right to paint it whenever we want to. Just as you could paint a wall in your house.

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Post by panick21_ »

probably_wrong wrote: post #177
panick21_ wrote: post #134

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DB is a gigantic organization. Do you think it is reasonable for them not not make progress or advancement in anything as long as the ICE delays are not fixed? They can never change a train interior, improve the food menu, or 1000s of other things? This is a totally unreasonable suggestion. The reason for DB reliability problem is 50+ years of infrastructure neglect, fixing it will not be improved by shutting down ev…

Someone turned on the DB signal[1] so here I am. > sometimes trains are late sometimes, but the trains themselves are great and travel in them is a joy. "Sometimes"? Let me tell you about my friends in the German area of NRW. The one that commutes far away regularly gets stranded on the way because the trains arrive so late that there's no connection home till the next day and because, of the two lines that take her…

Look I understand all that. And Im all for fixing it. But its still objectivly better then in many other places. Rail overall in Germany is great. ICE are the weakness for sure. But its still much better then many other places in the world.

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Post by helboi4 »

kalaksi wrote: post #257
helboi4 wrote: post #237

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Fr. Its so wierd for me when people get super mad about graffiti like they own any of these walls and could choose what was on them. If the graffiti wasn't there it would just be an ad, but I guess we're okay with that because consumerism is good because the our overlords tell us to like it.

Most graffitis I've seen are on empty walls or buildings with no ads. Brick wall looks way better without them. And to me it looks more like it's the graffiti maker that thinks that they own the wall and can choose what should be on it.

Property that is used by the public should be owned by the public. By that logic, graffiti artists as regular people who use public infrastructure in the area should as much right to paint on the wall as you do to paint the wall in your house. And you can paint over it if you hate it so much. But its all down to the community. It should not be a crime enforced by a ruling class who nominally owns the wall but doesn't use it, so is totally not actually inconvenienced by it being painted. You are part of the community. So is the artist. The person who owns the wall is mostly likely not. Stop pretending you're on the same side because you think you may also become a millionare by osmosis.
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